AI-GENERATED SUMMARY

This sermon continues the “divergence” from the Seven Deadly Sins series to address Debt, arguing that it is normatively related to sin and God’s curse, and is a state of servitude that Christians should avoid12. Tuuri expounds Deuteronomy 28 to show that being a lender is a blessing while being a borrower is a curse, and he uses Romans 13:8 (“Owe no man anything”) as the summary command for New Testament believers23. He outlines a “hierarchy of liberty” where debt is the lowest state below surety and gleaning, and he refutes the idea that the seven-year sabbatical release justifies short-term debt, arguing it is a restriction on lenders, not a permission for borrowers4. Practical application involves identifying root sins like covetousness and impatience for “instant riches,” making a diligent plan to eliminate consumer debt, and handling home purchases with extreme caution (ideally fully collateralized or debt-free)5….

SERMON TRANSCRIPT

# Sermon Transcript – Reformation Covenant Church

Deuteronomy 28:1-14

Deuteronomy 28. And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments, which I command thee this day, that the Lord thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth, and all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, that thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God.

Blessed shalt thou be in the city, and blessed shalt thou be in the field. Blessed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy ground, and the fruit of thy cattle, the increase of thy kind, and the flocks of thy sheep. Blessed shall be thy basket and thy store. Blessed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and blessed shalt thou be when thou goest out. The Lord shall cause thine enemies that rise up against thee to be smitten before thy face.

They shall come out against thee one way, and flee before thee seven ways. The Lord shall command the blessing upon thee in thy storehouses, and in all that thou setest thine hand unto, and he shall bless thee in the land, which the Lord thy God giveth thee. The Lord shall establish thee an holy people unto himself, as he hath sworn unto thee, if thou shalt keep the commandments of the Lord thy God, and walk in his ways, and all people of the earth shall see that thou art called by the name of the Lord, and they shall be afraid of thee.

And the Lord shall make thee plenteous in goods, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy ground, in the land which the Lord swore unto thy fathers to give thee. The Lord shall open unto thee his good treasure, the heaven to give the rain unto the land in his season, and to bless all the work of thine hand. And thou shalt lend unto many nations, and thou shalt not borrow.

And the Lord shall make thee the head and not the tail. And thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath, if that thou hearken unto the commandments of the Lord thy God, which I command thee this day, to observe, and to do them. Thou shalt not go aside from any of the words which I command thee this day, to the right hand, or to the left, to go after other gods, to serve them.

These words from the book of Deuteronomy are almost enough to bring tears to one’s eyes. Actually, they probably are enough to bring tears to one’s eyes. It’s probably only our insensitivity to God’s promised blessings, to the culpability of our own sins for God’s cursings upon our nation that fails to bring those tears to light. We live in a day and age that is in radical rebellion against God as we all know.

And we also know that these blessings of the covenant are not written simply for the nation of Israel. They’re written for God’s church throughout history. And history moves in relationship to Deuteronomy 28, blessing and cursing upon God’s people, keyed to their obedience or disobedience to observe all his commandments. We’re going to talk again this afternoon about debt. I’ll apologize upfront for confusing Kent and the announcements.

I don’t know if we’re going to be talking about debt next week or not. Tell the truth. We may move on to gluttony. It really depends a lot on what you would like to see me talk more on this subject next week. But I do want to return to it at least one more week to kind of pick up where we left last week and sort of try a different angle on what I was trying to do with an overview of the scriptures relative to debt last week.

I think that too often we can deceive ourselves in our sin through various mechanisms. Through closing our eyes to the curses that God brings upon us to rationalizing away our sin frequently to looking at the scriptures as an intellectual exercise instead of the purpose of the scriptures which is to cleave our hearts to cause us to come to repentance for areas in which we failed to come to conformity to God’s word and then to amend our ways.

And that’s all what Jeremiah 7, the call for worship we read last week and this week and we’re reading a few more weeks. It’s all about that. Come to worship God. You come to hear the message that you need to amend your ways. In a very real sense, the scriptures are supposed to cut us apart. You know, the scriptures tell us that they are sharp as any two-edged sword and able to discern the thoughts and intents of a man.

And hopefully that it’s a light to us then to illumine us in our own actions of obedience or disobedience to pierce our hearts is the reason to hear biblical preaching and to read the word of God. Ultimately, it’s not for an intellectual exercise. It’s not to try to push the envelope on definitions and concepts. Ultimately, it’s to let the word of God, the Spirit of God, do his work upon our hearts by exposing ourselves to the scriptures in a corrective fashion.

Now, I bring all this up because one of the things we want to address just really briefly here at the beginning of this talk is the definition of debt. There was a question during the question and answer period last week that I handled rather technically and I think that was the intent of the question was a technical definition of the term debt and it is rather difficult to try to pin that down precisely in all instances. Generally, of course the general concept is known that debt is an obligation to pay somebody something plain and simple and that’s the way I’ve been using the term yesterday last week and this week and if may need be next week as well.

And that’s the way the term is normally used in the scriptures. Romans 13:8, owe no man anything. The point is don’t be in debt. Debt is owing somebody something. And for our purposes in this relationship to greed, it’s owing something that is material to somebody. It’s owing people money. And so if you borrow something, if you buy something on time, then you’re in a position of debt. The way I’m using the term now, it’s okay to try to define all the parameters of what is what is and what is not proper debt.

I’ll be quoting this afternoon from a book called The Tools of Dominion by Gary North. Big 1400 page new book covering the case laws from the book of Exodus. And excellent to have as a commentary. Very few commentaries in that portion of scripture. I would caution you to read it with understanding where the authors are coming from, the author is coming from. For instance, in the discussion of dowry, he seems to be saying that the dowry in terms of the New Testament is met by the church’s examination of the husband or the proposed groom rather for the bride of the church member and I don’t agree with that.

I agree that those laws are still in place and that is the family that oversees that process and not it’s not been shifted to the institutional church. Having said that the book is an excellent book for resources and he tries in there in various points to give some sort of pushing the envelope definition of debt and it can get a little confusing frankly in a couple of the sentences but it’s a difficult thing. But for our purposes to expose ourselves to the teaching of God’s word relative to our economic discipline and to ask ourselves, should we correct our ways?

I want you to think of debt in terms of an obligation to owe somebody some money to buy today with tomorrow’s resources essentially. Now, this is important because as I said, our hearts are desperately wicked. All of our hearts are desperately wicked. The scriptures tell us that’s remember we talked before about the Puritans, the importance they placed on the covenant community to encourage each other, to examine our lives and to help us examine our lives.

We can’t see our sins frequently. They we hide them from ourselves. Sometime one of the examples I thought of for instance would be if a man is committing adultery with somebody and you go to him and accuse him of falling prey to the sin of lust for him then he could try to avoid the implications of that statement by saying well what is lust exactly? Maybe when we’re talking about looking at a museum piece in a sculpture is that lust?

Well the point is that can be discussed but for most of us today in America and unfortunately for most of us in the church of Jesus Christ today our problem is not out here our problem is in here. Most of us have indebted ourselves for consumer items for things that have been pawned off as investments which really aren’t and we’ll talk about that in a couple of minutes. We need to correct the simple areas of our life and if we do that then God will continue to show us increasingly from the scriptures the more intricate implications of economic policy in our lives and the lives of the country.

Okay, having said that, as by way of introduction, what I’ve decided this morning is to give you a series of reasons why I believe the scriptures tell us to avoid debt.

Debt being to owe people money. So, I’m going to go through here a series of biblical reasons to avoid debt.

The first reason, and a lot of this will be reviewed from last week, as I said, I’m kind of trying to come from a different tangent to make sure you understand what I was trying to express. last week. First reason why biblical debt is to be avoided is that biblical debt is normatively related to the poverty or to curses.

Deuteronomy 28 that we just read gave examples of obedience induced blessing, the ability to lend as a result of obedience to God’s word and his then moving circumstances so that our crops are increased etc. So we’re then in a position to benefit from that. Deuteronomy 28 goes on however later in the text in verses 43 44 etc to tell us that the results of disobedience are God’s curse of indebtedness and so he tells us in Deuteronomy 28 a little later on in verses 43 and 44 we read the following we read that if and this follows a series of things that will happen if we do not carefully obey all the words of God’s law read that the stranger that was within thee shall get up above thee very high and thou shalt come down very low.

He shall lend to thee and thou shalt not lend to him. He shall be the head and thou shalt be the tail. So, one of the reasons the scriptures tell us in these passages here and again in Deuteronomy 15 for debt is that it’s related to disobedience and sin and related to God’s curse for that.

Now, remember I said last week, I don’t believe that it’s really proper normally to speak of debt as sin. I think it’s proper to speak of debt as the result of sin in other aspects of our lives. And as we get down to the lower part of this outline you’ll see where some of the seven deadly sins cause us to become indebted and as a result then the debt is a reminder by God. It’s a chastisement by God to clear up these other areas of our life and as a result get out of debt. Okay.

So the scriptures tell us that condition of debt is induced is brought about by curses and additionally is brought about by poverty.

And we went over some of these verses last week. Exodus 22:25 tells us we’re not to charge interest on a poor loan. Leviticus 25 33-38 tells us there’s no interest loans to be made available to the desperately poor brothers in the land. So we have there clearly from God’s case laws in the verses I list on your outline that there has be no interest to charge to a poor brother. Now if you correlate this with the fact that no interest is the norm in terms of biblical life, Old Testament life as pointed out in the various passages of scripture on your outline, if you see there that the norm is to not be one who assumes or gets to himself interest on a loan and you put one and one together and you get two which is that normally debt in the Old Testament was a result of poverty.

and I list again some verses on your outline but I’ll just make reference to them now a couple of them. Deuteronomy 23:19 says thou shalt not lend upon usury to thy brother usury of money usury of victuals usury of anything. anything that is lent upon usury. Again, in Psalm 15, remember Psalm 15, the entrance requirements of God to his holy temple, similar to Jeremiah 7 that we read at the call of worship.

Similar to the psalm we sing as a processional as we come before God’s presence in worship at the beginning of our worship services, there are requirements listed in those things as to who can get in the door so to speak and literally in the case of the temple, who could get within the doors to enter into the various as various places in the temple to worship God. And so, Psalm 15:5 says that one of the conditions is that he putteth not out his money to usury nor taketh the reward against the innocent.

And so we have there and again in Ezekiel 22 I mentioned last week the passages from Ezekiel and the prophets that show that usury is considered a sin a despicable sin on the part of the believer. So if you take the two things together that usury was specifically prohibited to a brother who was poor and then that the normal life for the believer was not to be a getting into interest back on loans in the covenant community.

Then what you end up with is the seems to me the plain teaching of the scripture that the normal method for giving loans was only to those poor people. And then they reminded very distinctly when that occurred not to exact usury from the poor when you are put in a position of loaning money to a poor person. So in the scriptures debt is to be avoided because normatively it is related to one of two conditions either to poverty and as a result we need to go into debt to get basic essentials for life or because of God’s curse upon our lives.

If we’re financially irresponsible, if we break God’s laws, we suffer the curses of Deuteronomy 28, we end up not being able to lend. We end up instead being indebted both individually and then as a society moves that way culturally and as a society and as a covenant group as well. And so the two conditions for debt that are only two that are mentioned in the Old Testament, I believe, and in the scriptures is poverty and the curse.

So if we want to live a life that is consistent with the scriptures, we want to avoid all debt in our lives.

Secondly though, there’s another positive obligation instead of this negative one that we want to avoid being in a position of poverty or being cursed and as a result we shouldn’t have debt in our lives because those things are what lead to debt in the scriptures. Secondly, our role positively is to lend money, not to borrow money.

All non-poor Hebrews according to the case laws that I mentioned from 22 in the book of Leviticus were to be lenders. So if a man came to you and you had the means, you were supposed to lend him money. And so the idea was if you weren’t in poverty, you’re obeying God’s law and was were blessed, you should have money then to lend to other believers. Again, Exodus 22:25 demonstrates that. And in the Psalms, we have several verses that talk about how the righteous lend.

Psalm 37:26, he that is the righteous one is ever merciful and lendeth and his seed is blessed. Psalm 112:5 says that a good man showeth favor and lendeth. He will guide his affairs with discretion. So if we want to aim at the mark of being the righteous man described in this alter and in other places of scripture and in Deuteronomy 28, then we’re going to want to be in a position to lend people money.

So this positive admonition to be able to lend is another reason why we should avoid according to the scriptures all debt. After all, if you have money that you’ve gotten from a debt and you owe that money to somebody else and turn around and use that money to lend to somebody else, you really are not acting in accordance with the biblical requirements there because you’re using somebody else’s money to lend money to.

Clearly, these verses talk about using your own money to lend to those who are poor in the midst of the covenant community.

Third, there are a variety of strong warnings against debt and suretyship. We went over many of these last week. and again, in Deuteronomy 28 and Deuteronomy 15, we have debt and slavery coupled together in both those passages. In Deuteronomy 28 throws in the concept of disobedience.

And so the scriptures when you read Deuteronomy 15 and 28, you read the law of the covenant, you read the sections of the covenant. What God wants to impress upon your mind are these correlations between debt, sin, and slavery. And that’s to be a strong warning against us, a warning to us rather to avoid any form of indebtedness. Debt is related in Deuteronomy 28 to the curse. And anything related to the curse is not something we want to take upon ourselves as a result of our own volitional will.

We don’t want to have to do that. We want to avoid those things that are associated with the curse. The curse is death. The blessing is life. A debt economy is essentially a death economy, as we’ll talk about a little later as we go along in this talk. Debt and the curse are linked as a result of that. Debt and death are linked. Debt and dominion are opposed one to another. The passage we just read when the blessing is dominion loaning to many nations, the curse is death.

they’ll loan to you and you’ll be the tail and not the head. Debt and slavery is linked as well. Additionally, as we mentioned last week, the sabbatical year of release shows us that the norm and the goal for the believer’s life is to be in a position of no debt. And so that release was provided in the sabbatical year. Proverbs 22:7, of course, is another very well-known verse that talks about how the borrower is servant to the lender.

And so these strong warnings against debt.

Additionally, I mentioned last week and I want to read a few more of them this week the dangers in the scriptures of suretyship. Now suretyship is going is becoming a guarantor of another man’s debt. So you got a loaner, somebody borrowing money. You come along and the guy’s going to borrow money. You become surety for him by a covenantal arrangement to say I’ll take his debts upon myself if he fails to pay them.

And the scriptures are replete with numerous admonitions as to the dangers of suretyship. For instance, Proverbs 11:15 He that is surety for a stranger shall smart for it and he that hateth suretyship is sure. Proverbs 17:18 a man void of understanding striketh hands and become a surety in the presence of his friend. Proverbs 22:26 be not thou one of them that strike hands nor of them that are sureties for debts.

If thou hast nothing to pay, why should he take away thy bed from under thee? Proverbs 6, my son, if thou be surety for thy friend. Now, he’s not talking here about a stranger. He’s saying your friend. If you be surety for your friend, if thou hast stricken thy hand with a stranger, thou art neither stranger or a friend here. There are thou art snared with the words of thy mouth. Thou art taken with the words of thy mouth.

Do this now, my son, and deliver thyself when thou art come into the hand of thy friend. Go, humble thyself, and make sure thy friend. Give not sleep to thine eyes, nor slumber to thine eyelids. Deliver thyself as a roe from the hand of the hunter and as a bird from the hand of the fowler.

So there are these strong biblical warnings to avoid suretyship. It turns to debts. Now suretyship is just one step and the reason pointed out here in these proverbs to avoid it is because you may enter into a debt relationship because of it. If the person defaults, you’re going to be in debt now for the for the money that he was supposed to have paid. And so the warning against suretyship is a warning against something which even brings us close to a position of debt. It is a strong biblical warning against even approaching near unto debt.

And so if suretyship is warned against in such strong terms, no wonder then debt itself is linked to death and the curse and slavery and dominionlessness, powerlessness politically and nationally in Deuteronomy 15 and Deuteronomy 28.

Additionally, we have the summary statement as I pointed out last week in Romans 13:8. Owe no man anything. And as I pointed out last week, the specific context is speaking of various obligations in terms of obedience to the civil authorities, taxes to the IRS, etc. But he goes on from the general there in Romans 13 or the specific rather Romans 13:7 to give a summary statement in Romans 13:8 of the entire biblical teaching on debt and that is owe no man anything.

He goes on from the specific examples to say, “Owe no man anything,” including the magistrates obviously, but including everybody else as well if no man means no man. And not only does he make it sure by saying that we are to owe no man something but he says owe no man anything except the obligation to love him. So he goes to the general case in both the subjects of whom we may have debt to as well as the concept itself which is to owe no man anything at all and certainly that would include monetary things as well.

So the summary statement in Romans 13:8 says the same thing. The term as I mentioned last week for owe normally in the secular Greek ethic implication of being an economic amount due. It was used for other things as well. But the normative use was to be in debt for an amount of money. The Septuagint shows us that at that same period of time, the Old Testament was interpreted by the Jews who wrote the Septuagint in the same way.

They used this same Greek word in Romans 13:8 for owe no man anything. Opheilō to translate passages from the scriptures that we’ve just made reference to that prohibited interest on loaning people money. And so again there the terms you is used five times specifically in the Septuagint and in every one of those it seems to indicate an economic amount. And so the summary statement gives us an economic term although it has wider implications.

It tells us that we’re not to owe anybody anything which is a real broad term as a summary statement of all the scripture teaching on debt. And so we have various biblical reasons then to avoid all debt in our lives.

Additionally though, what we have to realize then in instead of just stopping at the abstinence of monetary debt, what I’ve been trying to do and why we’re linking this into the seven deadly sins and greed is to help us see beyond that the root sins that cause the material indebtedness that we find ourselves in this nation individually and as a nation and in all too many households as well.

So, we’re going to talk now about curing the root causes of debt. I don’t think it does any good to focus ultimately simply on your economic affairs. Your economic affairs indicate your approach to life in much broader areas as we’ll see as we go through this real quickly.

Now, getting to the root causes of debt. Debt is avoided by first of all dealing with the effect of the deadly sins in our lives. Debt is a manifestation or can be frequently of giving into some of the seven deadly sins.

The one we’ve talked about specifically up to now. First, an absence of greed in our life will help us to avoid debt. Remember we said that greed is essentially placing ultimate value upon material objects instead of the on the creator who made those things. And so it is idolatry. It is worshiping the created order rather than the creator. It’s swearing by the gold of the temple instead of by the one who sits in the temple.

And so puts ultimate value in the things that God has given us and are good and proper in themselves. There’s nothing wrong with gold. Gold is to be highly valued according to the scriptures. but it’s putting ultimate value upon them in instead of the one who created all these things with the word of his mouth. Now, it’s interesting that the scriptures tell us very explicitly not to do that. And it gives us in very concrete some concrete statements in the Psalms that God’s word indicating his communication to us is to be viewed as much more precious than fine gold.

The purest gold you can find is nothing compared to the counsel of God that the Holy Spirit gives us through the scriptures. So, it’s an attempt to under help us understand that gold is be highly valued but in terms of God and his revelation to us it is nothing. The greedy man doesn’t understand that or he understands it. He doesn’t want to be obedient to it. He puts ultimate trust in the material thing itself.

And that’s when people get into debt. If we need assurance, we don’t go to the one who gives assurance. We give we go to things instead that reassure us. As we said a couple of weeks ago, when the going gets tough, the greedy, the materialist goes shopping to his place of worship ultimately where his sense of value and optimism is renewed by the bright lights, by the ringing of the cash register, by the exchange of the credit card and by the bundles of debt goods under his arm.

He really does get satisfaction and relief from that and that you’ve got to understand that to understand the phenomena of why so many people shop in malls today. It really has become almost a place of worship to get bolstered up in our confidence by purchasing goods. And so greed leads directly to indebtedness by wanting grasping after more and more material goods to give ourselves assurance instead of the one who created those goods.

In other words, what I’m saying here is that we need if we ever in a position of having incurred debt at some point in our lives, we need to examine our motive for the incurring of that debt. And all too frequently today in America and in the church, the motive is greed. The motive is the goal rather is possessing material objects instead of doing kingdom work. As I said, the heart is desperately wicked and it would be good for us to examine our motives whenever we are considering a debt purchase with those whom God has brought into the context of our covenant community to help us avoid such sins.

Secondly, the absence of sloth will produce an avoidance of debt in our lives. If the motive must be pure, additionally the means to the end must be pure as well. We may have a good motive for wanting material possessions, for wanting a house for instance, or wanting an automobile. and transportation to work. But the scriptures tell us that not only must the motive or the goal rather be good, the means we take to get to that goal must be good as well.

And all too often people are slothful. Remember the slothful man rejects the idea of adding value slowly over time to what God and his providence has given him. He rejects first the blade and then the ear and then the full corn in the ear. He rejects gradualism. He wants the full corn in the ear today and he’ll pay for it tomorrow. And in terms of food, you can actually do that now. I guess I think it’s Burger King or McDonald’s or problem.

You can charge things your credit card. It’s like was it Wimpy in the old Popeye cartoons who always said, “I’ll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.” You can actually do that now in our culture. Remarkable. The slothful man fails to add value to what God in his province has provided him in hunting. Remember, we talked about that verse in the Proverbs. And if God has only given us resources to rent, then maybe what he wants you to do is to focus on adding value to that rental property that he has.

given you stewardship over before you think you’re ready to handle the responsibilities that go with ownership of land. And if you’re not in a position where you’ve added value to whatever God and his providence has brought you into in terms of your domicile or where you live, then don’t expect God to provide the resources to give you a greater responsibility in terms of owning a home. You got to prove faithful in small things to add value to what God has given to you.

And that means the rental in that case. It may mean that you have enough money to buy a plot of land. but don’t have enough money to build a house. And it may be that God in his providence has given you those means to get that land and then to slowly add value to that land, improving it slowly, building up a house, putting a trailer on it, whatever it is, and moving slowly to a position responsibly to a position of working diligently the property that God has given to you and the value he’s given to you.

Remember, the slothful man doesn’t have ears to hear. The clear counsel of God’s word is to be very cautious about incurring any kind of debt. The slothful man doesn’t have a heart for God’s goal in his life. And the slothful man who incurs in debt doesn’t have a heart doesn’t have a real desire and a longing for debt-free living. We’re called to have that kind of longing. The slothful man doesn’t have the stomach to face the battles that come up in his lives to do what he’s supposed to do.

The slothful man who incurs debt doesn’t have the stomach to plan long term, to work hard and diligently, extra hours if need be, for instance, to buy a house long term. The slothful man is doesn’t have the hard hands, the busy hands. That is, he has slack hands who fails to work hard and trying to accomplish what God has given to us accomplish.

Now, I should point out here I kind of talking about homes a little bit and I don’t want to get totally into discussion of that, but it’s important that we understand as well that renting can be a slothful activity, too. Renting could be an acquiescence to a failure to own property and a failure to plan diligently, to work diligently, and to be not slothful relative to eventually achieving some sort of property ownership for the believer. Clear? I think it’s clear from the scriptures that property ownership is a real good thing. And that long term, I’m sure that every person in this church believes and wants their children to be able to own property and own a home.

Now, the fact is that in the history of America up until the last 60 years, it was not uncommon for many people to rent for a long time before they could save enough money up to put a down payment even on a house which at that time was a third to a half of the purchase price or to buy a lot and try to do it debt-free. But today we all are impatient. We want these things quickly. We want them as a result of sloth.

Want them immediately instead of the long hard pull. The article that I re-looked last night at the article in the old Journal of Christian Reconstruction on the 30-year mortgage, a simple four-page paper and you know it really wasn’t that bad. I thought it was pretty good. and stressing the need to have a plan to go through the scriptures to have a plan financially for your for your house you want to accomplish getting a house if you don’t have one how you can be responsible in the small things making a plan according to God’s word praying about it diligently and then working hard to accomplish the goals that you believe God has led you to through his scriptures through the council of other church members and then presenting it before God for his blessings.

Remember that Deuteronomy 28 doesn’t just say that if you’re obedient everything will mechanically work along here and God will bless you and you’ll be able to loan to other people. What he says is if you’re obedient, God is going to increase your ability to produce wealth. Your cattle are going to have more offspring than the disobedience persons over time. Now, that’s what God’s word says here. It says that you’re you’re you’re going to have lots of children and the disobedient maybe only have a few children.

So, you’re going to have more hands to help you perform work over the long haul to save money, to be able to lend, and to be able to remove indebtedness from yourself as well. And so, slothfulness is a great disincentive to people today to avoid debt or to even move toward trying to purchase land and a home long term.

We should plan to get out of debt. First of all, if you’re in debt now, I would encourage you to think through a plan. Present that plan to God. Get counsel from other people in the church over that plan to get out of debt over a period of time. I don’t think you’re in sin because you’re in debt.

But I think that all too often we’re in debt because we sinned at some point in the past relative to our priorities. And part of your plan has to be repenting to God for any kind of sin that you engaged in as you in incurred indebtedness. Now, it isn’t always sin. I didn’t say that. Remember what I said here. There’s a couple of different reasons why indebtedness comes about in our nation. But all too often it is a result of these sins we’re talking about.

And so, part of your plan should be repenting before God for those things and then taking steps, diligent steps to order your affairs correctly to remove that debt from your home and from your life. And then don’t just be content with being in a rental of course move on to try to develop a plan long-term multigenerational is not a bad thing to try to accumulate enough wealth to purchase land in a home.

Okay. So the absence of sloth will help us to avoid debt. The absence of covetousness as well this gets back to the motivational aspects. as I said before it was once common in our country for folks to rent. The majority of people used to be renters not homeowners. Today it’s not like that. Today there’s a tremendous amount of peer pressure to own a home, own it quickly, and own a good-looking home and in the right neighborhood, etc.

And there’s a general reluctance to do things gradually over time. And covetousness, looking at the Jones’s house, wanting to keep up with the Joneses, no offense to Robert or Joan, but the proverbial Jones is one of the reasons why people become indebted into home mortgages, for instance, or car mortgages, or, you know, a bigger and better lawn mower like the neighbor has or whatever it is. Covetousness is at the root of much debt in our country today.

And we’ve got to be careful to root covetousness out of our lives and be content with God’s providence.

You know, it’s interesting that loans used to be fully collateralized frequently and they are no more. Gary North has in his book Tools of Dominion talks about how he built up a huge pyramid of debt that will eventually collapse leaving millions of ruined lives and wasted supposed fortunes in its wake. What’s happened from the time when people used to rent and used to have to have a third to a half down payment for a house and now where you can put down 5% down or nothing down with many home mortgage programs financed by the federal government is that we’re now involved in a debt economy.

And because we’re involved in a debt economy, there’s going to be tremendous motivational aspects that the state and debtor agencies such as banks want to put upon you to incur debt. Now, you’ve got to know that. You’ve got to know that you’re going to be tempted in many ways by this covetousness aspect to incur debt. You’ve got to know that you’ve got to steel yourself against it.

You’ve got to deliberately before God try to obey these economic principles we’re laying out of not incurring debt and avoiding the covetous attitude that would call us into that kind of debt.

Loans are no longer collateralized by just about anything. Loans are collateralized today by simple promise to repay on the part of the debtor. And there’s a reason for that. That’s because they want to loan more money than could be collateralized by people with their existing possessions. And that’s why we have this huge debt pyramid that Gary North and R.J. Rushdoony and other men are warning us about.

There’s no collateral. Used to be collateral was a built-in protection against too much debt in the society. You would have enough resources in some sort of positive collateral. The bank would say, “If you can’t pay the money, we’ll take this collateral and everything will be even.” It’s not like that anymore. You need to know that in most states in the union, there are things known as, for instance, as insufficiency judgments against houses.

You buy a house at when at the top of the price surge, you try to sell it then when it’s not worth about half as much. The bank may well, if you give it back to them, sell it for what they can get out of it and come back to you then for an insufficiency judgment for the rest of the money you owe them.

Brad Beers, Harriet’s son, well, I haven’t talked to him for probably five or six years about this. He used to be involved in a banking agency that was heavy into mortgages. And this was just a common occurrence for that bank to issue insufficiency judgments against people because the bank couldn’t get what they had invested in the house out of it when it was turned back to them by people. You see, the home in almost every state in the union does not fully collateralize the loan anymore.

And if the home doesn’t, you can bet your car isn’t going to fully collateralize your car loan. Same thing will happen. They’ll pay what they can. They’ll sell the car if you give it back to them for whatever they can get out of it, and you’re responsible for the rest. The result of all that then is there’s no internal checks and balances in the amount of debt. society can incur and so there’s tremendous temptation to enter into debt and as a result a coming great collapse.

Well, in any event, avoiding covetousness helps us to avoid debt.

The absence of anger also is related to debt. It may not seem so obvious that one. Remember that when I spoke about anger, I said that essentially anger is a result of two things. Anger is a result of denying God’s justice. So, we want to take justice ourselves or it’s the result of denying the providence of God, his loving kindness shown toward his people. Remember, for Balam’s donkey. Balam’s donkey wouldn’t let him proceed.

Balam got angry at the donkey. Well, often time our circumstances, the providence that God has in his world brought into our lives doesn’t allow us, for instance, to own a home or to own a shiny car or to own a big lawn mower or to own who knows what these days. I suppose these days those things are pass now it’s the beach house and everything else. in God’s providence, he may not have given us ability to do that and We want to take the matter on our own flesh as it were against the council of God to avoid indebtedness and incur indebtedness.

Then what we’re saying is that God somehow wasn’t loving enough to us. We’re angry at God for not providing those things. We deny God’s providence. When we do that, we find ourselves in a situation that is harmful to us because, you know, in point of fact, God does love us. If we become Christians, repented of our sins, and come to saving faith in Jesus Christ, God does love us. Romans 8:28 says that all things work together for our good and that means our inability to have that shiny car for instance.

It’s like the Balam’s donkey. It may be a problem to us riding a bus or having a car that breaks down and we may curse God because of it or curse the car because of it, but that’s foolishness. God says that he does take care of us. His providence is beneficial and gracious to us and a result of his love for us.

And so anger is another thing. Anger toward our possessions that don’t meet up with the standards of the culture we live in. Anger with God for failure to provide us the means to buy these things and as a result then that anger we may well incur debt and as a result move into even a further position of being harming ourselves and bringing upon our own head the curses of debt and bondage.

Ultimately of course we said before the seven deadly sins stem out of pride and the absence of pride is an important precursor to being satisfied and content with the material possessions God gives us. I thought of this subtitle for the absence of pride is that old TV show, Father Knows Best.

God knows best what we need. God knows best when we are responsible enough to handle possessions and when we’re not. And when we try to on our own understanding and in violation of God’s principles of economic providence etc. and contentment when we take upon ourselves debt and we fall into pride normally we talk we start thinking in terms of the wisdom of the world instead of the wisdom of the word. All too often today of course we have a tempt to think that way, to think that these principles that are in the scriptures are foolish, that what you can really do is spend your way into prosperity, that what you can do is incur indebtedness and as a result make all kinds of money.

Use other people’s money, as the world says. It’s foolish financially to rent, people will tell you, because after all, you’ve got to be investing in something and a house is always an appreciating asset. And so, you’re foolish to rent. It’s just throwing money away. But, you know, it’s not throwing money away if you’re doing it in obedience to God. I’m not saying you have to do it that way. Okay. But if you are and if you’ve thought through God’s scriptures relative to debt and you’re convinced the way to do this and to buy a house is to save long-term for a piece of land, etc., and do things slowly, and you’re renting because of it.

Don’t let people accuse you of being foolish financially. The wisdom of God is frequently foolish to those who are perishing. You know, God had some offerings in the Old Testament and libation. You just pour it out on the ground. Took great wine and just pour it out on the ground. What a waste, huh? But see, it’s not a waste because it’s something God’s commanded us to do. And God commands us to be provident and to not let our own reasoning or the reasoning of the world lure us into actions that seem contrary to the clear warnings of the scriptures.

Don’t listen to the world. Listen to God’s word. Okay. So by avoiding the seven deadly sins, we can avoid debt. And by positively promoting godly character in our lives, we also can avoid debt.

Contentment is rather obvious in relationship to these things. I am not suggesting here and you want to be careful that you don’t read laziness or sloth in place of contentment. I don’t think we should be content long-term to be renters and to be dispossessed from the land and to be in a position of some servitude to landlords, for instance.

I don’t think we should be content to have homes that are paid off and yet have property taxes that mean the state owns the land ultimately in the house. I don’t mean we should be content in that sense lazy and as a result not doing anything. But I mean, we should be content in the fact that this is what God has brought into our lives. And it’s not going to turn about tomorrow. It’s not going to turn about because we get angry.

And it’s not going to turn around because we ignore God’s principles. It’s going to turn around as we apply God’s principles and as we diligently move to conform our lives and our thinking to this word of God. And as we let it pierce our hearts to discern the hidden sins thereof and move in repentance then and in obedience to God’s truth. You see, you can you can be content with the situation of indebtedness we’re in if you’re willing to pledge to move in a positive direction in the future out of it.

And here’s why. Deuteronomy 28 makes evident that God’s curses come upon people. Is that bad? No, it isn’t bad. It’s good. Remember we said that the material world is given to us to teach us spiritual truths. The spiritual truth is that curses, indebtedness, slavery to the government is what God brings to our lives to remind us of our disobedience to him. We reject God. We reject his word and his commandments.

And God then turns us over to pagan rulers because he in his love and kindness for us is bringing us to a point of realization of what our sin has produced in our lives. The worst of all worlds would be a world where we could ignore God’s laws of economics, ignore the proper means of worshiping God, and still forever have things in a good shape around us and not have a financial collapse eventually.

Financial collapses, taxes, etc. are judgments from God to lead us back to righteousness. They’re corrective actions to his people. They’re chastisements. They’re not ultimately simply to hurt us. They’re to bring us back to correction. Contentment to build godly character.

Build contentment into your lives and the lives of your children. And a provident lifestyle. After all, the word provident comes from God’s providence. God in his providence has provided certain things for us. And those things are the means that God in his providence has provided for us. A provident lifestyle means that we live within those means.

If debt’s the only way to finance something, almost always the thing probably shouldn’t be bought. Now, if you believe a house is a legitimate emergency purpose, I can give you some recommendations here as to how to structure that sort of purchase.

First of all, as I said, since the bank will no longer collateralize the loan with the house. Try to find a seller who would do so. Who will collateralize the loan with the house? And if you can no longer make the payments, he takes the house back. Contracts can be written that do that. Those can be accomplished today. So try to buy a house on contract of the seller totally collateralized by the seller by the house rather that you’re buying.

Try to try as well to pay off the home in six years. The sabbatical principle is a good one. It’s a reminder to us that we don’t know what going to happen the rest of our lives over 30 years. We can make plans and diligently make plans for six years. Frequently be wrong there, too. But to try to predict the future 30 years in advance is really a foolish thing for us to do. So, try to make it a short-term six-year loan.

Buy from a Christian. We’ll talk about that in a couple of minutes here. But, you know, as I said last week, the term for a financial debt transaction really means to join together, to cause to come together as one. That’s what you do when you incur debt. And that’s why being in debt to the pagan nations was such a horror to the people that understood Deuteronomy 28 and the concept of what debt was. Don’t enter into a debt covenant with a pagan. That’s the worst thing you can do. so try to make the co the contract you enter into with a Christian, try to pay it off in six years. Try to fully collateralize the loan with the house.

above all things, if you think that a house may be a proper emergency loan, as it were, since it’s a domicile or a dwelling, Don’t let that thinking then and that experience turn you into a debtor for the rest of your lives. All too often people take homes, leverage the debt, buy other homes, continue on in a pyramiding sort of process. That’s the way to make money today according to the world. If you want, if you think that there is a legitimate one legitimate time in life to incur debt, six-year contract debt to a Christian for a home, then do it.

Get out as fast as you can. Go for that goal of debt-free living and blessing before God and covenant before God not to get back into debt like that again. Live providently within your means. If you can’t afford something, if you can’t afford the car with today’s wages that you might be able to afford it next month, wait till next month. Save the money first. That’s provident living.

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COMMUNION HOMILY

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Q&A SESSION

Q1: How does Scripture present a hierarchy of economic freedom and what happens when someone falls from vocational calling?

Questioner: As I went through this study this last week, it seemed that some of the things that Gary North wrote in *Tools of Dominion* pointed this out as well—that there seems to be this hierarchy of various states of liberty that we can fall away from.

Pastor Tuuri: It seems like the scriptures tell us that the freest position we can be economically now is to have a vocational calling—to be working in a vocation where we know God has placed us there, and as a result, providing for our family, being able to lend to other people, etc.

If you fall out of that ability though and lose your job, you don’t want to go to debt immediately. What do you go to? You go to gleaning. Gleaning is a loss of some freedom. You got to pick the corners of another person’s field, and you have a little less liberty when you glean. If gleaning is not available, then you may well fall into debt. But again, these are steps down in terms of this cycling down of a loss of liberty.

If you don’t go to gleaning, but you go to debt instead, you’ve really incurred, according to the scriptures, that the borrower is servant to the lender—more of a debt than ever and more of a loss accompanying loss of liberty. Now, I’d say that just before debt, if you’re writing this cycle down, just before debt is shylock. Remember, we said that God warns us against going shy for a debt. So if you got vocational calling without shylock here, gleaning without shylock here, the next one down would be shy for a debt.

Q2: What is the difference between the seven-year debt limitation as instruction to lenders versus borrowers?

Pastor Tuuri: The next one down would be debt, but debt to a believer. In the Old Testament, debt to a Hebrew; the New Testament, debt to a Christian. The Christian has limitations. You know, people say, “Well, we can have six years worth of debt because the Bible says they got to be released in the seventh year.” The seventh-year release of sabbatical debt was not an instruction to people in terms of their borrowing practices.

Say it again. The seven-year limitation was not an instruction to borrowers for their borrowing practices. It was an instruction to lenders for their lending practices. Far too often, you know, it’s kind of like the prohibitions against—or the allowance rather, biblical allowance under certain conditions for divorce. Of course, people forget that the word of God, the law of God, is given to men who are presumptively law-keepers who are going to take that law, interpret it correctly, and be bound by it.

But in the time of our Lord, the Pharisees had taken the divorce allowances for capital crimes in the Old Testament, and instead broadened those things out to include such things as literally burning toast would be a reason for divorcing a wife. Anything at all you didn’t like about her, you write her a bill of divorcement. And all too often, that’s what Christians who are starting to think through biblical terminology of economics has to do with that six-year debt limitation.

God said to lenders, “Don’t force your denial of freedom to a person who’s indebted to you for any longer than six years. Seventh year, let them go free.” Condition to the lender. They turn it into a condition for the borrower and say debt’s okay as long as it’s only six years. “Pay off a car in six years, so what’s the big deal? Seventh year, I’ll be out of debt by that year.” That’s not the right thinking.

That’s like the Pharisee who said, “I’ll divorce the wife for burning the toast.” The word of God is supposed to correct our actions, not to be used as a rationalization for our actions. Okay?

Q3: What are the steps down the ladder of economic liberty when it comes to debt?

Pastor Tuuri: But in this cycle, you got vocational work, gleaning work, shy for a debt, and then debt to a Hebrew—and that’s a loss of liberty. And the Hebrew, the Christian rather, has to release you in the seventh year. That’s the biblical obligation.

And of course, if you’re going to indebt yourself to a Christian, you ought to make sure that’s covered up front in the debt contract. Beyond that, you could sell yourself as a bond servant to another believer. If you can’t pay off a debt in the prescribed period of time, then you may well be forced to sell your services into his use for a period of time—again, be released in the sabbatical year. So debt was a loss of freedom. Bond servanthood was an even greater loss of freedom to a Hebrew.

Beyond that though, you could actually—in this biblical cycle of punishments or losses of freedom for you in terms of indebted terms of your liberty before God—the next one down would be to indebt yourself to a resident alien, to a foreigner, to a non-believer who’s living in the land. You could do that. You still can do it today. You can go and indebt yourself to a pagan banking institution for a lot of things—for a house, a car, whatever it is.

But that was worse because there was no limitations on the resident alien, upon the pagan in the land, to release you in the sabbatical year. He doesn’t have those instructions. You can be in perpetual bondage to him. And if you can’t pay it off, he may well then take you.

The final step in this decline from liberty is to be a bond servant to a resident alien—to have to be forced to work in his home, as it were, in the old covenant model, in the context of his culture, surrounded by his perhaps household gods that Gary North talks about, or at least remnants of household gods—the things that he worships.

Q4: How does Gary North explain the connection between debt and servitude in biblical economics?

Pastor Tuuri: And as Gary North said, that was almost seen as a denial of the faith in terms of biblical economics. I’m going to quote now from his book *Tools of Dominion*, Gary North. He says: “To be in debt in principle is the equivalent of servitude. Proverbs 22:7. In order to call this economic and psychological fact to the attention of covenant keepers who are thinking about becoming debtors, biblical laws created economic incentives for the enemies of God to exercise long-term authority over covenant-keeping but present-oriented debtors.”

Now he explains that more in the chapter. I won’t go into it, but the fact is that when you remember the limitation on debt that a Hebrew would have—a Christian would have—to release in the sabbatical year, there was a bigger market, as it were. There were financial incentives for resident aliens who weren’t Christians to force people to be bond servants to them. And that’s in God’s providence. North spells that out in more detail here.

Q5: What does Gary North say about resident aliens as instruments of God’s judgment on debtors?

Pastor Tuuri: In any event, he goes on to say: “Resident aliens became the local rods of God’s displeasure with covenant keepers who are economically and psychologically present-oriented—meaning people with high time preference, high interest rates, the Esau of the world.”

How is interesting, too. I read this last night. I got, I borrowed this book from Richard over the weekend. The Esau of the world. Remember I mentioned last week that the Esau, the materialists who are present-oriented—Esau sold his birthright for a mess of pottage.

And that’s what Christians do when they indebt themselves to pagans. The debtor was the servant of the lender. North goes on to write: “The reckless, present-oriented debtor was in principle already the servant of the foreign lender. High debt testified to the moral evil that God promised to judge them for. High debt in this sense was treated as near apostasy—potential subordination to uncircumcised aliens who were still influenced by foreign household gods.”

And so that’s what I was saying before about Deuteronomy 28. God does these things to make conscious to ourselves our own rebellion against looking to Him for our providence, and Him for our rewards, and Him for our sustenance, and instead turning to the Egyptians, as it were, to help us out in times of economic trouble.

Q6: What is the relationship between love of liberty and avoiding debt?

Pastor Tuuri: So love for liberty—not wanting these things. As a result, not being a bond servant to a resident alien, not incurring debt from a pagan, not even incurring, if you can avoid it, being a bond servant to a Christian, and not even incurring, if you can possibly avoid it, debt to a Christian, not even being shy for debt to a Christian.

And not even having being forced into a gleaning position—but ultimately vocational calling, working before God, providing for your family, being able to lend. That’s liberty in God’s word. In God’s word, that’s defined as liberty in terms of economics. That’s being a free man.

Uh, in our country in the colonial period, if you were in massive indenture servitude, you were not considered a free man and you weren’t allowed to vote. And so we should begin cultivating in ourselves and our children a love for liberty that will help us to avoid debt. There’s a relationship between those two.

I mentioned before Leviticus 25:35-38 talks about loans; Leviticus 25:39 and following talks about bondage—non-grievous loans for believers, non-grievous bondage for believers. The connection is made in the cycle down as a loss of freedom as a result of financial indiscretions on our part—a failure of contentment, covetousness, greed, pride, etc. All these things result in a loss of liberty, and we should love liberty.

We’ve been bought with a price—Jesus Christ’s precious blood—and we become Christ’s bond servants. The love of liberty is rooted in a love for our Savior, whose servants we are. And if we see ourselves as servants to Jesus Christ, we don’t want to see ourselves as debtors or servants to other men, and particularly, of course, to the pagans.

Q7: How do the seven deadly sins relate to Canaanite oppression and cultural bondage?

Pastor Tuuri: It’s interesting in this regard that I mentioned before—some of the ancient writers talked about the seven deadly sins and drew a correlation to the seven Canaanite nations. Remember I talked to you about that? And that correlation was drawn to show us the seriousness of these sins in the early church father’s writings. It was also drawn to show us the conquerability over those sins. The Canaanite nations were supposed to be conquered.

We have these sins that lead us into bondage, etc. They’re supposed to be conquered. And again, there’s this correlation between spiritual sins that we see in our lives and Canaanite oppression. And so today, if the church—and it is largely speaking in America today—[is] indebted both personally, oftentimes the church itself as a corporate entity is indebted to pagan institutions. You see, we’re indebted to Canaanite nations again because we were indebted to these seven deadly sins and haven’t rooted them out of our lives.

And so the key is to root the seven deadly sins out of our lives. And then positively to build back in Christian character, including a love of liberty. Okay? And a compassionate heart. I threw that in as well.

Q8: Why is a compassionate heart important in relation to debt avoidance?

Pastor Tuuri: You may not think it’s a big deal to you that you don’t have enough money to lend to people who have needs. And if it doesn’t, then what you need is a compassionate heart. If you’ve been given grace by God and been forgiven our debts, then we should have the mind to forgive other people their debts and to be able to lend to those who have need to display the royal virtue.

And that’s part of the character that we have. If we have a compassionate heart and we have a desire to help people who have dire circumstances—they’ve been born into or have created as a result of sin and now come to repentance—if we have a compassionate heart for the people that God wants us to have compassion in our hearts for, then it’s going to grieve us if we’re in a position of debt and as a result cannot lend to people and be merciful and display God’s mercy to them.

You see, that’s going to grieve our hearts if we cultivated a compassionate heart in ourselves. Okay.

Q9: What is the importance of restoring the sting of debt in our culture?

Pastor Tuuri: The restoration of the sting of debt is another thing. One—avoid the seven deadly sins. Two—building godly character. Three—I think the restoration of the sting of debt is absolutely important.

One of the interesting things of Gary North’s book, again, I’m going to read one more quote here, maybe two. He says: “Only when creditors could no longer get the civil government to impose either a period of servitude—the biblical approach, bond servanthood in other words—or impose a period of jail sentence—the humanistic solution prior to the 1830s—on those who defaulted, only after these things were done away with did the modern institution of debt capitalism and debt socialism become triumphant.

The removal of major judicial penalties for defaulting on debts has subsidized the creation of debt on a scale unheard of in history.”

Okay. His point is that at one time the biblical approach to debt—people who couldn’t pay their debts—was bond servanthood. Civil State eliminated that, replaced it with debtor’s prisons in the 1700s going into the 1800s. Finally, in the mid-1830s or so, debtor’s prisons were done away with.

It was only after stings were removed from the sin of debt—or the sins that led to debt, rather. I don’t want to say debt is sin. It isn’t. And all debt isn’t necessarily a result of sin. But it’s only after the sting of debt was removed that we began to move toward the kind of debt capitalism and debt culture that we have today. And it’s sort of probably obvious why. That sting is there to remind people, “This is a bad deal.”

Remember we were talking about sloth. Sloth has a sting to it according to the scriptures. That’s penalty. It’s got a material reminder that you’re slothful. That’s hunger. That’s the gnawing in the belly that you get when you don’t bring the food to your mouth. And that’s the hunger you suffer when you don’t cook the food that God and his providence have provided you in hunting. Okay. Sloth has a sting.

It’s hunger. Today in America, people have relieved hunger and taken away the sting of sloth. The concept of 99.9% of all Americans is: no matter if a guy works or not, he should be able to get fed. He shouldn’t starve to death in America. So they’ve removed the sting from sloth, and as a result, we have greatly increased amounts of sloth in our country.

Well, when the civil government moved to remove the sting of debt—bond servanthood or the humanistic approach, debtor’s prisons, which I think are completely unbiblical—but bond servanthood then debt increases in a culture. That means that in order to reduce debt in our culture around us, what do we want to do? We want to reinjected the sting of debt. We want to reinjected the sting of sloth being hunger. Reinjecting the sting of debt, which is bond servanthood and the loss of liberty.

Now, we can’t do that culturally out there yet. Long-term, believe we’ll be able to do that. But we can do that in terms of our own culture, our own community, our own covenant community first.

Q10: How should the church handle the sting of debt within the community?

Pastor Tuuri: The same way that in our covenant community, if people are too slothful to work, they shouldn’t be fed by the church. So if they incur debt foolishly and in violation of God’s principles—and I put that caveat in there for a reason. I’m not saying everybody in debt has done that—but if they have, we don’t want to remove the sting of bond servanthood that accompanies it.

I was having a discussion a couple weeks ago with a couple of Christians who had to incur some short-term debt. First time ever in their lives that I know of from Christians. And so it was handled in a Christian way. But they said that the result of it has—it’s really been driven home in their lives that debt is essentially related to servanthood, that the borrower is indeed servant to the lender. And because of that, they were more anxious than ever to relieve themselves of that debt and are taking every possible thing they can do to get themselves out of debt.

You see, now you can look at that and say, “Well, boy, somebody was sure mean to these people to make them think they were somehow bond servants because of their debt.” Or you can say, “Maybe somebody understood the biblical principles, tried to communicate those biblical principles, and as a result helped that family move toward a position of true liberty before God instead of being in a position of servitude.”

Okay. So again, there I think that we can do that within the context of our own community. Obviously, it’s a situation-by-situation analysis. The scriptures are plain that part of the merciful nature of the righteous is sometimes to remit debts altogether and sometimes to pay people money and to give them food and clothing and other things if you think that’s what’s good for them.

But what I’m suggesting is that today in America in 1990, more often than not, we will encounter people in our churches who need to be reminded of the sting of debt because the culture is not telling it to them anymore. Their parents probably may or may not have told it to them. We can’t rely upon those things anymore. We’ve got to make sure we teach people from the scriptures what’s going on in that regard.

Q11: How does the Lord’s Prayer address the issue of debt?

Pastor Tuuri: And then finally, a heavenly perspective is also used by God to help us avoid the sin of debt. I mentioned last week the Lord’s Prayer. The Lord’s Prayer tells us, for instance, that we petition God to give us this day our daily bread.

The Lord’s Prayer reminds us then of contentment with the daily provision for our life that God gives to us. We don’t pray, “Give us, alone, so we can make sure we have six months worth of daily bread.” We say, “Give us this day our daily bread.” We are content with God’s providence in providing us daily food.

The Lord’s Prayer says, “Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.” When we remove the sting of debt in a culture, we increase the temptation to sin—to falling into illegitimate debt. When we increase covetousness and greed and pride in a culture, we increase that temptation. And so if we’re going to pray, “Lead us not into temptation, deliver us from evil,” that means that in terms of applying that in our lives, we should follow God’s principles to tell us how we’re supposed to remove temptation from our lives and from our covenant communities.

And we pray, “Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.” In heaven, we are judicially declared no longer debtors because of the price—the atonement price paid by Jesus Christ. And increasingly, our lives should see a growth in personal liberty as we mature in faith, as we mature away from sin, which should be pictured then in the economic blessings of Deuteronomy 28 that God brings upon us as a picture of that—his will being done on earth in terms of our economic realities as it is in heaven.

The heavenly perspective is taught in the Lord’s Prayer and is a reminder of the cure for indebtedness.

Q12: What are the four key principles for reconstruction and debt avoidance?

Pastor Tuuri: And then finally, I want to talk just real briefly about reconstruction and debt avoidance. I’ve picked four points here: Calvinism, Covenantalism, Theonomy, and Dominion.

Calvinism. If you’re an Arminian, it’s real hard to be content with what God has provided you. After all, it may not be what God provided. It may be what your sin caused. So it’s real tough.

Yeah. Calvinism—the God’s sovereignty and a reliance upon God’s sovereignty and his providence and all things that work out is the key, I believe, to contentment in a world. As a result, then the key also to avoidance of debt. God’s sovereignty has either brought you to the place of being able to or not to have something, with or without incurring debt. And so you have to become obedient to the Calvinism that we all intellectually hold to in terms of our daily lives.

If you can’t afford to purchase a car outright, then don’t do it. Be a good Calvinist. We recognize that God in his sovereignty hasn’t given you the means yet. He doesn’t want you to have it yet.

Q13: How does covenantalism relate to debt avoidance?

Pastor Tuuri: Covenantalism. As I said before, debt involves a covenant. It involves linking together with someone. The scriptures tell us that we should try as much as possible not to be unequally yoked with pagans. We don’t have a common base of understanding. We don’t have a common base of volitional actions and what is right and wrong ethically. We don’t have a common base of lordship. Christ and Baal are contrary to one another.

And if we go into a debt relationship and a covenant obligation with the pagan in that way, then if they’re the head and we’re the tail in that relationship, and they’re the covenant superior and we’re the inferior, then we’re going to be taught their ways as opposed to being the superior and teaching them biblical means of adding value to what God has given to us.

Q14: What is theonomy’s role in addressing debt?

Pastor Tuuri: Theonomy. This is, you know, a very simple way to make application of God’s laws in this regard, both to lenders and to borrowers, and I’ve sketched them out in some of the outlines we’ve provided there. And as I said, Romans 13:8 surely provides us the sum of the teaching of biblical debt and the laws governing those debts. And that’s to try to be as much as possible not to be in a position of debt for anything and to have debt-free living be characteristic of our life.

Q15: How does availability of goods today make debt-free living more achievable?

Pastor Tuuri: You know, really it seems to me that in spite of the various temptations we face on one hand, it seems that the other thing that occurs is that people are probably more able today to do without incurring debt for most items, save a house, than maybe they have ever been in a long time. You can still buy cheap cars because there’s so many new cars out there that cost so much money—people are getting rid of them, old cars, for instance. And that’s true across the board.

It’s only if we want new things and new clothes for our children instead of secondhand clothes that’s usually the reason why we’re incurring debt. There’s much wealth in the world today. There’s much wealth as a result of the technology, and that wealth really—most of us probably should be able to live debt-free if we’re going to walk in obedience to God’s laws of liberty.

It seems like that should be our goal and that should be the steps we’re taking.

Q16: How does dominion relate to debt and credit?

Pastor Tuuri: Dominion. As I said before, Deuteronomy 15 and 28 relate the exercise of dominion—with an authority in the world—with the ability to lend. Gary North said that the biblical laws in Deuteronomy 28 show that the extension of credit—the extension of credit is a tool of dominion. Debt creates—on the other hand, indebtedness creates political powerlessness.

And so we have today a debt economy that stems from a present-oriented people. And those present-oriented people in America today create a past-oriented society. Because decisions are made to indebt ourselves, and so we’re constantly being governed in the future by past actions. We have a desire for something in the present, can’t afford it, we then incur debt, and that ties us to the past.

And contrary to this, however, the scriptures call us to be future-oriented—to plan and save for the future instead of using up the future for past realities. We’re to be prudent and to be future-oriented instead of present-oriented.

Q17: What do the Psalms teach about being future-oriented?

Pastor Tuuri: The scriptures that we read—responsibly in the Psalms—how the one who goes forth weeping will surely come back reaping and, uh, bringing in the sheaves, as it were. The one who sows for the future at great cost to himself in the present. God says, “Surely, will be blessed in the future by God’s hand.”

“Cast your bread upon the water. Invest in the future.” And remember, investment is using your own money, not somebody else’s money. Invest in the future, and God says that eventually in the future you will be rewarded for those actions.

Q18: What does Gary North say about the future economic judgment?

Pastor Tuuri: And one more quote from Gary North. He talks about the situation we’re in again to help you remember the eschatology of God in history. Often times we look at what’s going on right now and project that out onto the future. That’s not the way history works. History is a series of ups and downs. It’s a series of God’s judgment in the world.

North says: “The world’s economy is not now threatened by a combination of rising debt, lengthening debt maturities, fiat money, fractional reserve banking, uncollateralized private debt, and taxpayer-collateralized government debt. The entire world is now caught in a demonic race against the inevitable—the extension of more debt, the threat of mass inflation, and the inevitable world depression that will hit when the debtors at last go into default.

The end results will be destruction of capital and people’s dreams on a scale never before imagined through mass inflation, probably price and wage controls, and then economic depression. Then perhaps the Holy Spirit will persuade the world that Proverbs 22:7—’the borrower servant of the lender’—is still enforced in God’s kingdom, if not in autonomous man’s kingdom.”

That’s what we’re headed for. The scriptures promise, however, that those who do cast their bread upon the waters or sow their seeds with tears shall doubtless come again rejoicing. The bread shall be found after many days.

Q19: How should Christians respond to the current economic situation?

Pastor Tuuri: We must endeavor in each of our lives individually to lose ourselves, as it were—to lay down our life that we might be saved by the providence of God—to lay down our life in the sense of putting down our own thoughts for the sake of God and his law word, conforming every thought to the thought of Jesus Christ. And it’s only in doing that we might save our lives in these desperate times.

If you are in debt this afternoon, please don’t rationalize away that debt in light of the situation in our country today using the world’s definitions and using the world’s motto—that debt is saving, somehow. Please let the word of God pierce your hearts with these thoughts, with the picture of freedom being found in a lack-of-debt position in our lives.

Don’t convince yourself with what may be good, logical, economic arguments based on an extension of what we see in America today into the future. Recognize that God’s judgments are active in history on behalf of his people to chastise them and bring conformity to his word into his word.

We are in a time that needs desperately reconstruction. And I guess what I’m saying is that the simple act of removing debt from your family, from your life individually, and teaching your children why debt is to be avoided in the future will be one of the best ways to reconstruct America that we have been given to us. And it’s a simple thing. It’s a simple thing to make plans to diligently take whatever steps are necessary to try to eliminate all debt in your household over a period of time.

Q20: What resources does the church provide for debt elimination?

Pastor Tuuri: We’ve got one of our deacons specifically, Kent. That’s—remember when we installed him as a deacon and ordained him, his calling specifically was to try to assist people in doing that, and he’s doing that. Take use of the resources God has given you in this church.

If you understand these spiritual truths—that sin oftimes is the root of debt, that the way to reconstruct is to root out sin in our lives, and as a result of that to root out the debt that accompanies it—then take advantage of the counsel that the godly men in this church can give you relative to these things. It’s an important area. It’s a practical area to reconstruct our world today for the future and for the sake of our children.

Q21: Tony asks about a lease arrangement in Vancouver with personal guarantees.

Tony: Last Friday member of the practice center in Vancouver. Oh, we are left on a piece of property over here in Vancouver. My purpose in my structure at least set up in think return. Anyway, the way that lease is set up and we’re involved in it right now is the payments are nice, but and the increments of time are nice and the extension period are only three increments and we got all that stuff tonight.

That’s right. The bucket is that we have to have personal guarantees because [we’re] incorporated and you cannot expect landlords, or at least we don’t know any that are dumb enough to lease their property to someone without the kind of personal guarantee. So I am I’m looking for that for the year period earlier this year as well as another fellow on the board here. We never left for anything, you know, as far as institution, you know, which is part of character, you know, shouldn’t be that way, all that stuff, right?

But right now, we’re facing a situation where we put time, energy, and money into that thing and property for sale, and we’re faced with: do we want to extend now for another three years? Well, I have letter set up, you know, saying, okay, we’ll expand again, you know, the same personal guarantee. I let it lay because I’m not really sure what would be the best thing to do.

Pastor Tuuri: You say they’re planning on selling the land?

Tony: The landlord is—has the property up for sale. Will he be willing to do a three-year lease anymore? Well, they’re locked into the land. Oh, wired in a lot of different ways. I see. But so your question is probably twofold, right? First of all, the legitimacy of the lease arrangement at all since it binds you for the future, and then secondly the shylock institution in it?

Tony: Yeah. I mean, we wanted it for that length of time because we had to go into a building, dump all kinds of money to make it the way we wanted it, and then for this to be a month-to-month arrangement or a year arrangement—sure, way too big as far as making it at least in our mind, you know, too much money. So now we got—but we have a three-year increment. But the thing is that if we go on the block and a new person, they can give us the boot at the end of the third year, and we don’t have locked in for any longer.

Pastor Tuuri: Oh, I see. Okay. So is your biggest problem the personal guarantee part? The lease part right now is a given, right? You can’t change the terms, right?

Tony: I’m locked in, right? So the big question is shylock.

Pastor Tuuri: Yeah. I mean, it’s because of this thing about—is, you know, as a guarantee for the rent technically, I would say, probably, right? Okay. Is that something that should be as huge on my part in this particular situation?

Pastor Tuuri: Well, you know, North makes the point in that book, *Tools of Dominion*, that—he says essentially, don’t take out a loan unless you can collateralize it fully with something that you’re willing to lose. So if you have resources, you know, I do have the resources now, but I don’t know that I have the resources tomorrow, which is this whole thing about [uncertainty].

Yeah. Yeah. That doesn’t really solve my problem. I guess probably the easiest thing to do is find somebody else who’s not so worried about shylock and contempt, right?

Pastor Tuuri: Right. Sure. Sure. Sure. It’s like having the Jews loan the money back in the Middle Ages, right?

Questioner: I don’t know. Anybody have any comments for that situation?

Kent: [Name unclear] personally still does fail.

Questioner: Yeah. Yeah. And it seems like if it’s going to endanger specifically your family in terms of your assets—well, but I don’t you know that if it does fail and I then I’ve got, you know, I would rather not be spending 750 bucks a month right now in insurance.

Questioner: Which you basically fix, which the basically covers what I was thinking—that’s an idea. It seems like in a way the answer is no, you must not do this. But I mean, I don’t really like [the situation]. Right.

Pastor Tuuri: Okay. Can I make a given situation lease?

Howard L.: Well, it seems like it goes towards the—if you find yourself for another person, then you go to the, you know, you go to the landlord case and try and get free from that.

Pastor Tuuri: That’s right.

Howard L.: All right. I think I think the way maybe we can do this is—goes to her own property. We’ve got money in CD and pledge that as a guarantee of payment, guarantee, and try and work it out that way. But that’d be great.

Tony: Yeah. I mean, she would much rather have me on the hook, right? She’d rather have me than $10,000.

Questioner: Yeah. So, what you know what I’ve got at the situation that we’re in is—do we extend? And if we extend, you know, how are we going to do it?

Steve: I was just wondering about the matter of being not being here is a great way and maybe—

Questioner: Well, I’m hearing what I’m thinking. Sure sounds like it.

Questioner: Yeah. I’m Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. Well, that requires some more thinking. Maybe people could, if you have thoughts about that in the future this week, give Tony a call and interact with him about it. I’ll try to think about it some more, too.

Q22: Are there any other questions or comments?

Roger W.: Probably the foods. Oh, is that Doug?

Doug H.: Yeah. That’s right. Yeah, you want to convert them so you can’t loan them on interest anymore. That’s good. That’s good.

Pastor Tuuri: Okay. Well, guess we should go eat.