AI-GENERATED SUMMARY

This sermon expounds Daniel 8, shifting focus from the political history of the empires (written in Aramaic) to a priestly perspective (written in Hebrew) concerning the people of God. The vision contrasts the Ram (Medo-Persia) and the Goat (Greece) not merely as beasts, but as sacrificial animals, implying that the rise and fall of these nations are determined by the liturgical prayers and sacrifices of the church12. The pastor warns against the “Little Horn” (Antiochus/Herods), characterized by apostasy, pride, and deceit, who rises when the daily sacrifices (worship) are taken away and truth is cast to the ground23. Practical application emphasizes that the “King’s business” is not just political action, but primarily the corporate prayer of the church, which effectively changes the world and leaders (like Bush or Kerry) more than political maneuvering34.

SERMON TRANSCRIPT

# Sermon Transcript: Daniel Chapter 8
## Reformation Covenant Church | Pastor Dennis Tuuri

Sermon text today is Daniel chapter 8. Daniel chapter 8. Please stand for the reading of God’s word. If you follow the text from the handout, you’ll see the basic structure of this chapter as we read it.

In the third year of the reign of King Belshazzar, a vision appeared to me, to me Daniel, after the one that appeared to me the first time. I saw in the vision and it so happened while I was looking that I was in Shushan the citadel, which is in the province of Elam, and I saw in the vision that I was by the river Ulai.

Then I lifted my eyes and saw, and there standing beside the river was a ram which had two horns, and the two horns were high, but one was higher than the other, and the higher one came up last. I saw the ram pushing westward, northward, and southward, so that no animal could withstand him, nor was there any that could deliver from his hand. But he did according to his will and became great. And as I was considering, suddenly a male goat came from the west across the surface of the whole earth without touching the ground.

And the goat had a notable horn between its eyes. Then he came to the ram that had two horns, which I had seen standing beside the river, and ran at him with furious power. And I saw him confronting the ram. He was moved with rage against him, attacked the ram, and broke his two horns. There was no power in the ram to withstand him. But he cast him down to the ground and trampled him. And there was no one that could deliver the ram from his hand.

Therefore, the male goat grew very great. But when he became strong, the large horn was broken, and in place of it, four notable ones came up toward the four winds of heaven. And out of one of them came a little horn which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the glorious land. And it grew up to the host of heaven, and it cast down some of the host and some of the stars to the ground, and trampled them.

He even exalted himself as high as the prince of the host. And by him the daily sacrifices were taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down because of transgression. An army was given over to the horn to oppose the daily sacrifices and he cast truth down to the ground. He did all this and prospered. Then I heard a holy one speaking and another holy one said to that certain one who was speaking, “How long will the vision be concerning the daily sacrifices and the transgression of desolation, the giving of both the sanctuary and the host to be trampled underfoot?”

And he said to me, “For 2,300 days, then the sanctuary shall be cleansed.” Then it happened when I, Daniel, had seen the vision and was seeking the meaning that suddenly there stood before me one having the appearance of a man. And I heard a man’s voice between the banks of the Ulai who called and said, “Gabriel, make this man understand the vision.” So he came near where I stood. And when he came, I was afraid and fell on my face.

But he said to me, “Understand, son of man, that the vision refers to the time of the end.” Now, as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep with my face to the ground. But he touched me and stood me upright. And he said, “Look, I am making known to you what shall happen in the latter time of the indignation. For at the appointed time, the end shall be. The ram which you saw having the two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.

And the shaggy or hairy male goat is the kingdom of Greece. The large horn that is between its eyes is the first king. As for the broken horn and the four that stood up in its place, four kingdoms shall arise out of that nation, but not with its power. And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressions have reached their fullness, a king shall arise having fierce features, who understands sinister schemes.

His power shall be mighty, but not by his own power. He shall destroy fearfully and shall prosper and thrive. He shall destroy the mighty and also the holy people through his cunning. He shall cause deceit to prosper under his rule, and he shall exalt himself in his heart. He shall destroy many in their prosperity. He shall even rise against the prince of princes, but he shall be broken without human means.

And the vision of the evenings and mornings which was told is true. Therefore, seal up the vision, for it refers to many days in the future. And I, Daniel, fainted and was sick for days. Afterward, I arose and went about the king’s business. I was astonished by the vision, but no one understood it.

Let’s pray. Father, thank you that we can understand this vision because of the continuing revelation that would be recorded for us later in this book of Daniel and for the ability to look back on the coming of Jesus Christ, Prince of Princes and King of Kings, and look at the events leading up to that time. We thank you, Father, for your scriptures. We thank you for this chapter in Daniel. We pray that you would bless it to us, Lord God.

May Jesus reveal it to us so that we can understand what’s happening here in a general sense and that we may be moved by this to a greater sense of our dependence upon him. Transform us by this word of our Savior so that we may indeed be humble and not proud, that we may see that you take us through calamities and difficulties, that we may be raised up in newness of life and strength. We pray, Lord God, that the end result of this is that we would be little Daniels as we leave this place, being raised up and going about doing your business. In Jesus’ name we ask it. Amen.

Please be seated.

Apostasy, pride, deceit. These are the characteristics of the passage that’s before us. The apostasy of God’s people, the pride of the ones who would oppose Jesus Christ and his purposes, those that make themselves great, bluster against their God, and yet are then judged by him and set aside out of human history. Deceitfulness of the prideful ones who use the apostasy of God’s people to cause their will to be done in the context of the world.

And in the midst of this text, the tremendous emphasis on the worship of the church, the prayers of God’s people. We move in this text from Aramaic back to Hebrew. Now we’re back in Hebrew language, which will be for the last chapters of this book. Why? Because we’re moving now from a consideration primarily of the empires—Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome—and the visions thereof. These are still referred to now in the rest of the book, but the emphasis now is from the perspective of God’s people, his priestly people.

Clearly, this is a chapter that has to do with temple worship. It has to do with sacrifices, the morning and evening sacrifices, the cleansing of the temple, the apostasy of God’s people. Apostasy is not something that pagans enter into. It’s what God’s people enter into. And so this becomes a tremendous emphasis. The prayers of God’s people are becoming front and center in this vision of Daniel.

And this will continue as we move into the next few chapters of Daniel’s prophecy. Next week in Daniel 9, what we’ll see is that Daniel knows the 70 years of captivity in Babylon are about at an end. And he’s going to pray. That’s what he does. And most of chapter 9 is the prayer of Daniel. We’ve been set up for this because Daniel prayed in the lion’s den, right? As a picture. And the lion is used as a symbol in the imagery we looked at last week of all of Babylon. And so from the pit of the empire, Daniel prays and things happen.

And then next week, Daniel prays. And then after that, in chapters 10 to 12, we find out that the prayers of Daniel really are effective and are involved in the warfare, the angelic warfare that’s been described for us in chapters 10 and 12. We find out that our prayers are actually doing things in the context of the world. Daniel becomes almost like Frank Peretti with heavenly warfare going on between angels. We’ll see as we move into chapters 10, 11, and 12 the prayers of Daniel affecting that heavenly warfare.

And now we’re moved into this in an increasingly explicit way where the important application they got out of these chapters is the importance of our prayers, our prayer life, and then the corporate prayers of the church. The sacrifices of the Old Testament are the prayers of the saints. Those sacrifices are described as being stopped in this vision before us, and that has an effect upon the world.

So we come into this text with some big themes, some obvious application points to us, and yet set in the context of a vision that can at first sight be very difficult to understand. Daniel says at the end that nobody can understand it. When it was given, they understood parts of it, but parts of it he couldn’t because what’s being described is really not just the coming out of the Babylonian captivity after 70 years and the events that will happen after that in Israel.

Finally, over and over again—three times—we have this terminal statement made of judgment, and three times it’s emphasized with increasing clarity that ultimately this vision is fulfilled with the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. And so this text really takes us in a clearer and clearer way into the times of not just the events coming out of Babylon, the establishment of the Persian Empire, the return to the land under Ezra and Nehemiah, but then to as well the Greek Empire and its last great ruler, Antiochus Epiphanes IV, and then even beyond that—another couple hundred years—to the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.

So this big span of history is what Daniel’s visions are about, and this is becoming clearer and clearer. Daniel’s visions build one on the other. We looked at chapter 7, saw it was linked with chapter 2, right? Beginning and end of the Aramaic sections—the vision and the dream that Nebuchadnezzar had of the empires. Now the vision Daniel has—and right in the opening verses of chapter 8 we’re linked back to chapter 7.

He says that it’s the third year of the reign of King Belshazzar. Well, what did chapter 7 say? Chapter 7 said it was the first year of King Belshazzar. We know now that this follows the previous vision, right? But he still tells us then in verse one that this vision was after the one that appeared to me the first time. He doesn’t need to say that. We got a little “how to teach the Bible” seminar here on Saturday.

One of the most important things you can do to understand the Bible and teach it is ask yourself: Why is this said this way? Why is it repeated? And it seems that the purpose here is rather clear—it is to link this prophecy, this vision, back to the vision that Daniel had in chapter 7. This is after, following on the vision he just had. It begins in more detail, in a more focused way, specific aspects of what had happened in chapter 7. And so we’re supposed to bring in what we remembered of chapter 7 as we consider this vision now.

There’s a basic structure to this, and I’ve laid the text out on the handouts pretty easy. You know, there’s kind of a basic thing here: it talks about King Belshazzar at the beginning of the text, and after everything’s said and done, Daniel goes about the king’s business at the end of the text. And I want us to make the application that we’re raised up in newness of life—the way Daniel’s raised up from his death-like experience to go about the king’s business. We leave this place. The word of God cuts us in two, kills us, brings us to repentance, brings us through death to resurrection. And we’re to use that resurrection life that God grants us through uniting us with Christ’s death and resurrection to go about the king’s business. This is who we are, right? But in the immediate context, he means Belshazzar’s business.

Another indication: Daniel in the vision sees that he’s in Elam. I’ve got a little map for you on one of the handout pages, second or third page. And you know, Persia is way to the east, right? Elam is over there in Persia. The Ulai canal is actually further to the east than the Tigris and Euphrates. Even Solomon had said that the kingdom would extend to the Tigris and the Euphrates. This is beyond that. You see, so God has gone in exile with his people here.

And Jesus—the voice that speaks to Gabriel—is represented as above the canal. Says in the river, in the middle of the river. Well, the way that is described, and we’ll see it more explicitly in chapters 10 and 11, is that Jesus is above the water. Again, we bring in new creation models, right? The spirit above the water, Jesus above the Ulai canal. He’s with his people in exile, and they’re going to go back to the land. Stuff is going to happen there that he tells them about.

So Belshazzar is the king, but Daniel has been to Persia. It’s not yet conquered Babylon. It will. And then after that, Persia will stir up the Greeks. Those of you that watched the History Channel show I mentioned last week at an announcement time on Alexander the Great, or if you just know your history well enough, you know the Persians increasing their empire were making a couple of wars against the Greeks—who were a set of city-states—and that stirred up the Greeks to then unite. Philip of Macedon unites them together, and his son Alexander takes over after his death—maybe arranged for his death, we don’t know—but Alexander the Great then unites the Greeks and then conquers the Persians, and eventually kills Darius, his men do.

So this is what’s talked about in this situation, and the map helps give you a sense of some of the directions that are mentioned here. You know, there’s an explicit reference that we have these two sacrificial animals in this vision, and the reference is to Media and Persia and then to Greece. Media and Persia are way over to the east, and Greece is down the other way. So we begin over here, and then the Greeks are going to come from the west, coming really from the place kind of in the direction of the holy land, and the map helps give us a little orientation.

So the beginning and end of this story is references to King Belshazzar, and then moving in, what we have is a common thing: the vision appears to Daniel, and then at the end he’s told to shut up or seal the vision—keep it intact—because, you know, its fulfillment is many days away. So the vision appears, the vision is sealed up, and then we have the specific vision itself given to Daniel, and we have that as the third thing moving in. And then matching that is, like we’ve seen before, the interpretation of the vision—what does it mean? And the angel, the holy ones, tell Daniel what the vision is all about.

And then moving toward the center, this has an impact on Daniel, so the fourth section moving in toward the middle, we then have this impact upon Daniel at kind of the center of the thing. So there’s this beginning of the angel speaking one to the other, and then at the very center there’s a voice of one who tells Gabriel to reveal what’s going on to Daniel. So at the very heart of the text is the voice, and we’ll have to—we’ll see this in more detail in chapters 10 and 11—but the voice of the one speaking here is the voice of the great overseer of all the angels, and that’s the Lord Jesus Christ.

So at the center of this chapter, surrounded by the vision and the interpretation of it, is the voice of Jesus Christ.

Now, what we have in the vision, I’ve got some things underlined on your text. We’ll just look briefly at the text again. So Daniel sees in the vision in verse two, and he’s by this river Ulai, and I’ve already talked about the geography of that. And he sees a ram standing beside the river. And one of the things that happens over and over again in this text is people standing up. And this becomes there more detail given of this as the visions continue in chapters 10 to 12. You know, the very last sermon could maybe be entitled “last man standing.”

Various guys stand up, assume rule and power. But this ram that stands up at some point in time begins to think of itself as great. The ram specifically represents Media and Persia, and the ram stands. And this is a common theme: people standing up. So this ram has two horns interpreted as Media and Persia. And then following the ram, there’s a goat.

“I was considering, suddenly a male goat came from the west.”

Well, it would come from the west. It’s Greece, as the interpretation will tell us, and it’s moving very quickly. And of course, Alexander the Great was known for his very rapid conquering of the Persian Empire and other first uniting the Greeks and keeping their city-states together and then moving and building his empire. The goat has a notable horn between its eyes. This is Alexander the Great. He goes to the ram. This happens at the river, the same place that Jesus’s voice at the center of the text comes from.

And so we can make this geographical association: Jesus—who speaks from the banks of the Ulai or between the banks of this canal, hovering over the water, so to speak, the firmament—who’s bringing everything to pass, this new creation he’s superintending the affairs of history. Because the conflict is described as happening at the Ulai canal, at the water, where Jesus speaks from.

Then the male goat becomes very great in verse 8. And what it means is a more literal translation: he makes himself great. So first, the ram made himself great. Then the goat comes along and makes himself great. And then finally a little horn’s going to grow out of all this, and he’s going to make himself great. So the three major characters that are described here—these kingdoms of Persia, Greece, and then the little horn, which we’ll talk about in a minute—all end up prideful, making themselves great.

And whenever anybody lifts themselves up, puffs up their chest, and thinks they’re something when they’re really nothing except for the grace of God or God’s movements in history moving through them, then comes the judgment. So whenever anybody becomes great, then the judgment comes.

The male goat grew very great, made himself great. But when he becomes strong in verse 8, the large horn was broken, in place of it four notable ones came up toward the four winds of heaven. And here Daniel’s statement that this is linked back to the vision of chapter 7 helps us. The four notable ones come up toward the four winds of heaven. Well, what are the four winds of heaven? We’ve already been given symbolically what that meant in Daniel chapter 7. These were the saints of God that he had spread into the world as the four winds blow out. He blew his people out to stir up the gentile nations.

You know, it’s interesting that kind of happened this last week or two, didn’t it? Those of you that read papers or listen to the radio or watch TV news, you know that God used the Christians to stir the people this last election cycle. All kinds of debates going on this last week. Well, was it really the Christians and the homosexual marriage issue that decided the election for Bush, or was it not? And there’s good people on either side of the issue. And well, the reason for this is there was this Pew Research poll that showed that to most people the biggest issue that made them vote were moral concerns—in other words, homosexuality and abortion.

On the other hand, the research poll lumped together individual categories or had one lump category of moral issues, but the other concerns—Iraq, terrorism—were separately listed. So you can make the point that if you combine people’s concern about Iraq and those that said the big issue was terrorism, that’s actually a bigger percentage-wise than the moral issues. Or if you combine the domestic issues—health care, jobs, the economy, and taxes—that becomes bigger than moral issues. So people can make a good case one way or the other.

Was it the evangelical Christians that Carl Rove used to secure the victory of the president? Maybe that’s what some people say. Other people say, “Well, evangelicals turned out in about the same percentage they did four years before. That wasn’t the difference.” And nobody really knows what the difference was because they don’t have records of all however many millions of people voted. They have some exit polls that were proven notoriously incorrect the day of the election itself. That’s all they have to go on.

And we don’t care what the answer to the question is. But what we do say is that this should remind us of what Daniel 7 says. When God’s people witness and pray about a particular issue and then take a message to the nations, it stirs them up. And we did that. Evangelicals across the country were a little more verbal this time about specific issues like homosexual marriage. And no matter how you interpret the data, the point is the nations are stirred up now.

And Europe is thinking that America’s a bunch of Christian right-wing terrible people, and you know there’s talk of secession—really seriously, I mean it’s a major news commentator—so you know all the money is being produced in the states that went for Kerry, and all those goofball backward Christians are the ones who voted for Bush, and we ought to just secede, leave them to their own little silly country. You probably seen the map: United States of Canada—all of Kerry’s states were contiguous with each other or Canada, and the rest of the states that voted for Bush on this map that’s going around the internet is called “Jesus land,” I think is what it’s called.

Well, you know what’s going on there is that the Christians are stirring the nations. See, things are happening. So when we read that after Alexander there are these four notable ones pointed toward the four winds of heaven, we shouldn’t read this without understanding that it ties back to seven. And seven said that coming out of the beast that represented Greece in chapter 7, there were four heads. So these four notable ones are linked to the four heads. The four heads are the beginnings or origins of particular periods.

What we think is that Alexander actually is one of these heads, or his son. And after Alexander’s death, the Greek Empire is divided up into six parts. So it isn’t the political divisions of the Greek Empire that are the concern here. What’s going to happen is, in chapters 10 to 12, there are two specific elements of the Greek Empire—the king of the north and the king of the south—that become very important because they’re a north or south of the promised land, and their wars will take them over and over again through Jerusalem.

And then the final notable one would be actually the beginning of the Roman Empire. You know, we read the New Testament and we read about the Roman Empire, but is it written in Latin? No, it’s written in Greek. The Roman Empire took, began by being heavily Hellenistic. Hella was a name given—Hella was the name given to Greece originally. Well, it’s a Greek empire that becomes more imperial Rome. But it’s the context of what happens.

And so while the prophecy says this concerns the terminal time, this concerns the end of everything in the old world—it says that several times—that’s the coming of Jesus that’s being pictured. But it sets it in the context of Greece because ultimately, really, Rome is kind of one of the horns that grows off of Greece and adapts Greek culture and philosophy.

Well, so the vision is given. Now the important thing here is that instead of, you know, a statue or instead of four creatures coming out of the sea, what we have here are two animals. Now, not the kind of animals in chapter 7 like lions and tigers and bears—oh my! No, this is not lions and leopards and bears. This is a ram and a goat. What’s the difference in the context of the Old Testament? What’s the difference between a lion and a leopard and a bear and a ram and a goat?

Well, clearly, if we’re thinking in terms of the Old Testament and as a Jew would read these texts, these are sacrificial animals. These are sacrificial animals. This text describes these empires as sacrificial animals. It talks about the daily, the morning and evening sacrifices. It talks about sacrifices being put to an end. And so the entire thrust of this chapter has to do with the sacrificial system, the temple in Jerusalem that’ll be rebuilt as the Persians send back Ezra and Nehemiah, and the sacrifices that’ll go on in that temple. That’s what the whole focus is.

And the big picture here is that God’s people—you know, when Cyrus comes along, it says explicitly in the scriptures that Cyrus said that he wanted the temple rebuilt as a house of prayer for all the nations. When Jesus says in the gospels that my house is to be a house of prayer for the nations, this is not new material. Cyrus said the same thing. The temple was to be a house of prayer for the nations. The sacrifices that were going on were for these nations.

When those sacrifices stop, then things get bad. And when the sacrifices are going, then there’s this relationship between what the priestly people are doing at the temple and the empires that God raises up to protect his people. Persia and Greece—lamb, goat or ram, the male lamb, male goat, buck. And so the idea is that the prayers of God’s people produce godly nations around them who will help them, in the sense of protecting them. And when those prayers stop, then bad things happen. Then the beast turns ugly. The guard dog now bites the owner.

And that’s what’s going to happen in the events that Daniel is being pictured with here.

So we have sacrificial terminology being used because the focus of chapter 8 is not really the bad guys—the bad Antiochus Epiphanes or the bad Romans in the time of Christ. The focus is the bad Jews, the bad heavenly people who don’t fulfill their ministry of prayer, sacrifice for the nations. So that’s what’s going on. And we can understand that from verse 8.

These four notable ones come up in reference to the saints of God. Out of one of them comes a little horn. We’ll talk about that in a little minute. It grew up to the host of heaven. It passed down some of the host and some of the stars to the ground and trampled them. So, you know, the ram comes along and tramples nations. Persia conquers people, and then it’s trampled by the goat, and then somebody comes from the goat and tramples these stars. What does it mean? Do these Greek rulers, and those that are associated with them, does it bring angels down to the earth? No. God’s people are a heavenly people.

And this is commonly understood or is very explicitly said in the New Testament. Our citizenship is in heaven. Well, it was true in the Old Testament, too. God’s people are heavenly people. They’re like the stars in the sky. There’s a host of them. And in one sense, all of God’s people are heavenly people, and the stars would represent the rulers over them. Remember, the sun, moon, and stars the day of creation are given as rulers. Another sense, sometimes the Levitical priests themselves are referred to in the book of Numbers as a host, a heavenly host.

And so you could see this as the Levites and the priests as the heavenly people, and then the rulers of the Levites and priests are the stars. And in any event, God’s people are then trampled underfoot by this man who comes forth. So that’s what’s going to happen in history. Daniel is being told this.

But he exalts himself as high as the prince of the host. The prince of the host is the one that’s supposed to become the next high priest. He’s high priest in training. He’s the, you know, the prince, the overruler of the host, is the high priest. But the prince is the guy that’s going to become king, right? He’s the one that’s going to become high priest. And he’s the one normally doing much of the activity to govern the sacrifices of the temple. And now this horn is exalting himself against—as high as—the prince of the host.

By him, the daily sacrifices are taken away. Uh-oh. Because now the prayers of the nation don’t continue to go on, and things are going to get really bad. The place of his sanctuary was cast down because of apostasy. Transgression in verse 12 is apostasy. Because of apostasy, an army is given over to the horn to oppose the daily sacrifices. Why does this ending of the daily sacrifices happen? It’s not the Greek ruler Antiochus Epiphanes, Antiochus IV, who actually does stop the daily sacrifices. It’s not his fault. This verse tells us that this happens because of apostasy on the part of God’s people.

So apostasy is what brings to pass these bad events a couple hundred years later, and then the even worse events when our Savior comes around and there’s this massacre of people, et cetera.

So after the vision is given, then Daniel hears a holy one speaking, and “How long will this will be?” And very importantly, notice verse 13. “How long will the vision be concerning the daily sacrifices?” See, so we have a—what’s the vision about? It’s about sacrifices at the temple in Jerusalem. And it’s about the transgression of desolation, the giving of both the sanctuary and the host to be trampled underfoot. So this is kind of nice because now we’re told that there’s a summary statement about this vision.

The vision is primarily not about empires. The vision is primarily about, and this is why we go back to Hebrew instead of Aramaic, it’s about God’s people, their sacrifices, and then their apostasy that causes desolation. An apostasy will happen, a falling away on the part of some Jews, and the end result will be that the daily sacrifices will stop. The temple will become desolate. God will leave.

We come to church and we bring our prayers. And if we live godless lives and we come here hypocritically, at some point God says, “Repent.” And at some point, he says, “Enough. I’m leaving. I kabod.” The spirit departs.

So there will be a time Daniel’s being told: when your people, you know, Daniel knows the temple’s going to be rebuilt. But now he’s getting really bad news. The ones that are going to run the temple will apostasize, and they’re going to apostasize in such a bad way that God is leaving the temple. And he doesn’t really come back until, you know, when Jesus destroys it and Jesus creates the new temple of the church.

So this vision is about religious realities. It’s about apostasy. It’s about apostasy that causes some horrible things to happen in Israel in Jerusalem. And then he’s told—and I’m not going to get into the 2,300 days. Lots of speculation. I don’t know what it means. It just, you know, it is a long time—and ultimately there’s this cleansing of the temple that happens.

And then at the very center, as I said, Daniel hears a man’s voice, which, you know, I think is Jesus, as we’ll see in chapters 10 and 11, between above the banks of the Ulai. So we have the presence of Christ governing history, judging his people, creating a new world in the process. And he tells Gabriel to make the vision known. And we’ll see this in more detail in chapters 10 and 11.

Daniel’s response to this is: when he comes near, he falls on his face. “Understand, son of man, the vision refers to the time of the end.” You see, now we’re being told that ultimately this is not about the end of the 70 years. Ultimately, this is not about Antiochus Epiphanes. Ultimately, it’s the time of the end, the terminal point of the old world. Jesus comes. You see, ultimately that’s what the vision is referring to.

“Now, as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep with my face to the ground.”

Now, see the connection here between Daniel and his people. What happened to the host of heaven and the stars? They were trampled. Where are you? Are you in heaven if you’re going to be trampled? No. You’re trampled under the foot of this Greek ruler, Antiochus, because you’re on the ground. Israel’s going to be brought to the ground. Daniel is brought to the ground. He’s in a deep sleep. He’s in a coma.

That reference throughout the Bible—beginning with Adam and then moving through other different places where it happens—a deep sleep is like death. You will either continue and die or you’ll be raised up as a brand new person. And as you’re raised up, you’ve been brought through a picture, an image, a coma that images death to us. You’ve been brought through death to resurrection. And that’s a huge theme here: God’s people are going to be brought through death to resurrection.

He says, “Look, I’m making known to you the vision at the latter time of the indignation. At the appointed time at the end, again, this shall happen.” And then he explains to him: this is me in Persia. There was this, then the next one is Greece. The first one is the king. That’s Alexander the Great. Four kingdoms shall arise out of him, and the ones we’re concerned about—at the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgression has reached its fullness, a king shall arise having fierce features who understands sinister schemes.

Power shall be mighty, but not by his own power. He shall destroy fearfully and shall prosper and thrive. He shall destroy the mighty and also the holy people through his cunning. He shall cause deceit to prosper under his rule. He shall exalt himself in his heart. Oh, see there again, the ram, the goat, and now this little horn exalts himself in his heart. This is the same little horn that was given in chapter 7. And so we connect these things up. So this is the third ruler now that’s going to exalt himself and be destroyed by God.

He shall destroy many in their prosperity. He shall even rise against the prince of princes. And that ultimately is a reference to Jesus. But he shall be broken without human means. And then Daniel’s told to seal up the vision, and he gets up and then goes about the king’s business.

So that’s an overview of the text. Let’s look now at the notes I’ve given to you on the outline about the text and its interpretation and application to us.

First, chapters 2, 7, and 8 and 10 to 12 are linked and show more and more detail of Daniel’s future. I’ve made this point, but it’s real important. Two and seven were linked, right? They were bookends of the Aramaic text. And eight links itself back to seven by saying at the beginning this happened after the first vision, and it’s the third year of Belshazzar. He says it twice, but he wants us to link this vision back to seven. And what we’ll see is 10 to 12 will give us even more detail. This is kind of like our lives. We sort of see some things in the future. We sort of see them coming, and as we get closer, they get clearer.

Well, here Daniel is being told about the future, and he’s being told in a series of visions that get more and more explicit. And we’ll see that as we move into chapters 10 to 12 that there’s a lot of detail given in those chapters.

Secondly, there are three time markers in the chapters: verses 14, 19, and 26. So we have the vision, and then we’re told that the vision is about apostasy and transgression that produces desolation, and it’s going to come to an end at the terminal point. And then he says, “Well, it’s going to be at the end of these number of times.” Then at the end in the interpretation, he says it again. So three times there’s this movement in the text in cycles telling us that it’s coming to an end ultimately when Jesus comes at the end of the old creation.

Three, there are three successive rulers pictured here: a ram, a goat, and a little horn, representing Persia, Greece, and Antiochus IV, Epiphanes. And what we’ll see in chapter 11 is he’s the king of the north. So after Alexander the Great dies, he says his empire will go to the strongest. And so there’s a series of wars and stuff, and who’s going to rule it? Well, it doesn’t maintain as an empire anymore.

And in the north, the northern area of Syria is controlled by the Seleucids, or sometimes referred to, and their other name that they have for their rulers is Antiochus. And the south is Egypt. And the southern rulers are all called Ptolemies. Those aren’t Egyptians and Syrians. Those are Greek names. Antiochus, Seleucus—these are Greek names. Seleucus probably is a better way to say it. Greek name. These are Greek names. And Ptolemy is a Greek name as well. So Greece will control the north of Israel and the south of Israel.

And in chapters 10 to 12, we’ll see battles going back and forth between these rulers. And very explicitly, the one that actually is ruling at the time when the temple becomes desolated is Antiochus Epiphanes IV, the last ruler really of that region. The little horn also refers to the Herods in the time of the Savior. And now let’s look back up, or look at the bottom of your outline. And I’ve given you a little structure for the description of this little horn.

“Latter time of the kingdom when the transgressions have reached their fullness, a king shall arise having fierce features who understand sinister schemes. His power shall be mighty but not by his own power. He shall destroy fearfully and shall prosper and thrive. He shall destroy the mighty and also the holy people through his cunning. He shall cause deceit to prosper under his rule. He shall exalt himself in his heart.”

So when transgressions reach their fullness, this guy will rise against the prince of princes. This king shall stand up, and he shall exalt himself in his heart. And the way he’ll accomplish rule is by sinister schemes. Antiochus IV was not the next ruler in the succession of these rulers in the north of the northern part of the Greek Empire, the Greek kingdom of Syria. Antiochus gets his rule by sinister means, by deceit, by doing political gamesmanship, and then gets himself to become ruler of the north. And ultimately this is what’s being described.

And here’s what happened in the days of Antiochus Epiphanes IV. Most of us know about Antiochus Epiphanes. He’s the one that, you know, put up a statue of Zeus in the temple. He’s the one that slaughtered a pig on the altar, or at least had his people slaughter pigs on the altar. He’s the one that did actually stop the daily sacrifices at the temple. But why did this happen? Well, before Antiochus does this, the priests are ruling. They’re doing their right thing in the temple. The temple’s been rebuilt by now. This is 150 or so years later, after Cyrus has had the temple rebuilt. And the priest is a guy named Onias III. Onias III is a faithful priest.

Now Ezekiel says that the high priest has to come from the line not just of Aaron but of Zadok. And so the priests have to come physically descending forth. Ezekiel tells them—God through Ezekiel—from Zadok. And so the Zedokite priests were the only ones who could be the high priest. And the high priest was the only one who could remove the sins from the people on the Day of atonement. This is the way the system was set up.

Well, Antiochus III, there’s another guy named Jason. Actually, his name is Jacob, but he’s the brother of one of these high priests, maybe Onias III. But in any event, he is a Zadokite. But he’s also a guy who really likes the Hellenistic Greek culture. He wants God’s people not to be a distinct people. He wants to have Olympic games run. He wants a stadium to be built in Jerusalem. He wants a Greek culture. He’s in love with the Greeks and all things Greek. He’s in love with the rock bands of his time. He’s in love with the neat stories that he sees on the TV as he watches Greek TV. He’s in love with all their culture. He likes their political system. He likes their language. And he likes it so much that he doesn’t want to be a Jew. And he changes his name from Jacob to Jason.

And then what he does is he goes and makes a deal with Antiochus, who’s the king now and in control of Jerusalem. He’s the king of the north by now. And he makes a deal with him to become high priest. And Antiochus says, “Yeah, you give me enough money. You can be high priest if you want.” And that’s what he does. They depose, he kicks out Onias III, forcibly takes the temple, takes some of the gold and silver stuff from the temple, gives it to Antiochus. And Antiochus is okay. You can be high priest.

Well, this is working out pretty good for Jason. And he sends another bribe to Antiochus to keep him happy. And he sends it by the hands of a guy named Menelaus. Menelaus is not a Zedokite priest at all. And Menelaus, learning from Jason, says, “Well, gee, I’d like to be high priest and in charge of all this stuff.” And he bribes Antiochus. Antiochus said, “Sure, go ahead. Kill Jason. You become high priest.” And that’s what happens.

So in the time of Antiochus Epiphanes, here’s the important part to remember from this history. God’s people, the priestly people, commit apostasy. They kick out the rightful high priest and actually kill off that line, and they take over the temple for themselves. That’s the apostasy that’s being described in the text before us. That’s the apostasy that God then judges by leaving the temple. And God then, like he always does, he brings in a gentile guy, Antiochus Epiphanes, to judge his people and to actually, you know, he—because of some political events—he gets upset. When he gets defeated by Rome later on, he comes back to Jerusalem. He’s all upset. He kills a bunch of them. He desecrates the temple. All this stuff.

But from the text in Daniel 8 here, the problem is not Antiochus, as bad as he is. He is this little horn that’s become, you know, raises himself against God, and God will crush him. But this is all brought to pass because God’s people no longer faithfully minister temple sacrifices to Yahweh. They commit apostasy. They stop offering sacrifices for the goat. And the goat gets very goat-like. The goat becomes shaggy.

It says long hair in the Bible is a picture of glory. It’s why men are supposed to have short hair. We don’t have glory on our heads. Women are supposed to have long hair. It’s your glory. You see, it’s glory. We’re not supposed to be glorious. The women are supposed to be glorious. Well, the shaggy goat, the long-haired goat, makes himself great, and then he’s broken by God. First Alexander, and now Antiochus.

So the point of the text is that in its first fulfillment, this rebuilt temple—Daniel is being told Daniel knows it’s going to be rebuilt. It will become the source of apostasy for your people. God tells him, “Your people will then be trampled underfoot by a pagan ruler.” And that apostasy is going to happen. And Daniel’s being told this stuff. And actually, he’s being told, and he’ll get this in more detail, that he’s being told, “This is ultimately talking about the coming of Jesus.”

And ultimately, there’s going to be another Jew—an Edomite, but a circumcised Edomite, Herod—and a bunch of Herodites who will take over the temple as well. Herod gets control of who gets to be high priest many years later by the Roman Senate deciding that he’s going to be the king. And so Herod is made the king of Jerusalem or of Israel by the Roman power, and Herod then appoints high priest.

So ultimately what’s being described to Daniel is that the sin of your people, the apostasy of the Jewish people, is what is going to bring the abomination. It is the abomination that desolates. God leaves the temple, and as a result, the future number four is looking grimmer and grimmer for Daniel who is then cast to the ground with the heavenly people. Daniel is cast to the ground, and he is raised back up by God.

Five, the ultimate blame, as I said, for these events does not go to the Greeks or the Romans or Antiochus, but to apostate Jews when they stop paying—or praying rather—and sacrificing for the nation. The nations go to seed. Prayer, worship, and witness go hand in hand. We said that this is the job of God’s people to witness to the nations. That’s what Daniel did. Well, now the great focus of the book of Daniel is prayer for the nations. And I’ve got on your outlines here a CR memorial on worship. Our fifth point on that memorial—we say this. This is what we’ve written in the series in the process of adopting this memorial.

“We believe that worship changes us and the world. We believe it because of Daniel 8. False worship produced the desolation of the temple, the leaving of it by God, and then the Greeks overrunning it and Antiochus setting up a statue of Zeus and killing a pig on the altar. Worship changes us in the world. We are transformed by the grace of God’s presence and we leave with a renewed sense of and commitment to mission, discipleship, and community. This is one of the ways we’re changed. Biblical worship results in changed lives, spirit empowerment, and impacts the world for Jesus Christ. Further, God is pleased to hear and answer our prayers, particularly those that ascend in the Lord’s day worship of the church. He hears our prayers for the nations and makes manifest his kingdom on earth as it is in heaven.”

The whole point of Daniel 8 is that the corporate prayers represented by the sacrifices—the daily morning and evening sacrifices in the temple—are what are made on behalf of the nations, and it changes the history of the world.

You know, you hear this debate going on about liturgical renewal. Churches like ours are saying that what happens in worship is really important, and we can make some case for how it changes our lives and how we leave different. But we also want to make the case that God is pleased to hear the prayers of God’s people in corporate, convocative worship and changes the world. And that’s why it’s so important when we come together in the Lord’s day to enter into the pastoral prayer, to think about it, to pray in terms of it, and then to leave this place praying for the nations round about us, praying for our state.

How much time did you spend discerning who you should vote for in the election? How much time did you spend praying for the ones that were elected? You see, we believe that prayer—corporate prayer, which informs our private prayer—is absolutely critical in the life of the world.

Six, the apostate Jews in the time of Antiochus and Jason or Jason and Menelaus who committed the apostasy that caused desolation by kicking out the legitimate Zedokite high priest Onias III. And later, the Maccabees come along. The conservatives come along, clean it all up. They don’t like what Jason and Menelaus have done. The Republicans take control of the Senate. Maccabees have a revolt. They kick Antiochus out. They kick him out of there. They take over. But they don’t bring back Onias IV, the son of Onias III. They make their own guy high priest.

And so, as we understand this history, you see, it’s doing things right in terms of the temple that’s important, not whether we’re conservative or liberal. Two sides of the same coin. The Maccabees refused to bring back his son Onias IV. Instead, they established a Hasmonean kingdom. Later, Pompey and the Roman Senate would make Herod—a circumcised Edomite—the king of the Jews.

And so we have this history that just, you know, reinforces in large language—and we’ll see it more in detail in chapters 10 to 12—that, you know, what God is telling us is that ultimately it’s not conservative political reforms in a country that changes the world. Ultimately, it’s the worship of God’s people, the prayers of God’s people, that then inform our witness, that we would honor God with our politics, whether it tends to be liberal or conservative, somewhat irrelevant.

You see, the Maccabees are like they’re the proto-Pharisees. They’re the beginning of the Pharisees. And the opponents to them, the Menelaus group, they’re the beginnings of the Sadducees. And both groups, Jesus said, were dead wrong. You see, we don’t want to be culturally conservative or culturally liberal. We want to be culturally Christian, and we want to see the importance of our prayers informing our mission to the world for a distinctively Christian perspective on these things.

Like Daniel, we’re to be humble, trusting God for the future, seeking to minister to the world through prayer and service, trusting him to bring us through death to resurrection life in which we go about the king’s business. You see, for Daniel, the message for Daniel, the message for Daniel’s people was not, you know, you’re doing a lot of things wrong, and if you straighten your life up, I won’t kill you. That was not the message. The message was: you’re sinning, and I’m going to kill you. I’m going to throw you to the ground. I’m going to trample you underfoot. But trust me, I love you.

And linked to the work of the one who will ultimately come—the temple of the Lord Jesus Christ—I will raise you up. And when you’re raised up through that death of judgment, you’ll be stronger and better to accomplish my purposes in the world. We’ve got the little horn, boastful, using deceitful things. Herod was the same way. Boasted against God himself, made himself out to be God. We get boastful in our lives. We make ourselves great. We think of ourselves as some big deal. And then the neck is broken. Then God cuts us off.

We use deceitful schemes. We use political intrigue. We use things, you know, coolly said and right time and place to affect power and weightiness to ourselves and accomplish our purposes. And then God breaks our neck. He cuts us off. He wants us to be like Nathaniel, an Israelite in whom there’s no guile, no deceit, no hidden political agendas going on.

God contrasts Daniel with these. He’s innocent. He’s truthful. He’s a mature man of God. And yet, linked to his people, he goes down in deep sleep, linked to them, and is raised back up in newness of life.

We come to the Lord’s Day service to die. We come for the word of God to bring conviction for our sins. We come here to know ultimately that Jesus didn’t die so that we don’t have to die. Jesus died to grant our death blessing, purpose. Our suffering has purpose and blessing to them. Your life is going to have difficulties. We’ve said this for several weeks. It does have problems. And you think, “What am I doing wrong?” Well, maybe you’re not doing anything wrong. Maybe you’re just part of the corporate judgment of the church of Jesus Christ that God is bringing to pass. Maybe it’s just the corporate judgment on old Adam.

Doesn’t mean you’re doing anything wrong necessarily, but what it means is that God has us go through these pictures of death, not so that we’ll be completely dead and not be raised back up, but for the very purpose of raising us up like Daniel. Daniel goes through death, deep sleep, and then is touched by God, raised back to newness of life. And what does he do then? He does the king’s business. He’s raised back up.

We come together in Lord’s Day service, be united to the work of the Lord Jesus Christ to his death, burial, and resurrection, and then his resurrection. And God raises us back up. I think this helps us. It helps us to think through why we suffer. We suffer because God is using those very pictures—little deaths—to empower us for more ministry. He brings us down and humbles us so that he might raise us up, that we can go about the king’s business in newness of life and strength. And that’s why we can thank him for all these things.

Let’s pray. We thank you, Lord God, for our trials and tribulations. We thank you for this vision of your control of the future. And we thank you, Father, for assuring us that our future is in your hands. And as your church does her job of praying for the nations and then carrying out mission to those nations and advising the rulers of our day and age, indeed, you will bless us with peace and prosperity in the land.

We pray, Lord God, that you would forgive us our sins when we look to political purposes ultimately as a way to save the nation as opposed to the worship that indeed is answered by you and changes the way the world works. Help us, Father. We enter every Lord’s Day into the worship of the church to see the importance of our prayers before you in changing the world in which we live. And then make us faithful witnesses as we go forth from this place raised to newness of life in Christ, that we may do the king’s business. In Jesus’ name we ask it. Amen.

Great King of nations, hear our prayer.
While at thy feet we fall and humbly with united cry to thee
For mercy call. The guilt is ours, but grace is thine.
Oh, turn us not away. But hear us from thy lofty throne
And help us when we pray.

Our Father, sins were manifold, and ours no less we own.
Yet wondrously from age to age, thy goodness hath been shown.
When dangers like us, stormy sea, beset our country road,
To thee we looked, to thee we cried, and help in thee was found.

With one consent we meekly bow beneath thy chastening hand,
And pouring forth confession meet with our morning land.
With pitting I behold our need as thus we lift our prayer.
Correct us with thy judgments, Lord, then let thy mercy spare.

Having confessed our sins and heard the preaching of the word and brought our offerings before the Lord, let us now come before him in prayer. Our prayer this morning is based on Psalm 119, the Ten Commandments from our responsive reading. Let us pray.

O gracious, gracious heavenly Father, full of love and mercy toward your people, we come humbly before you this day. For you are the living God, not like the false gods of wood and stone and vain imaginations worshiped by others, but the author and creator of life and of all things and the giver of all good gifts—most especially your law.

Teach us, O Lord, the way of your statutes, and we shall keep it to the end. Give us understanding, and we shall keep your law. Indeed, we shall observe it with our whole hearts. The earth and all its inhabitants are yours, O Lord, created to serve you in righteousness.

We pray for Boob and Marik, for Blake Pursell, the Harmons, and Sucrait and Sujo Joy Roy. Cause their ministries to be fruitful for your kingdom, calling many to the service of our King Jesus. For Cassaba Leidenfrost and his family in the Ivory Coast, who ask special protection during this time of civil unrest, grant them safety and the opportunity to return to your work at which they so faithfully have labored.

Thank you for the light that shines on our own nation, for our freedom of worship and our freedom and self-government. Grant President Bush the courage and wisdom to lead our nation in the paths of righteousness. As our many new elected officials begin service here in Oregon, declare to them their duties and obligations to you and cause them to fulfill them in a manner that brings glory and honor to you.

We thank you that even here in Oregon, against the fierce attack of many enemies, our state has soundly upheld your definition of marriage. May our governor, legislators, and courts uphold it as intended by you and the people of this state.

As we set this day aside to worship you, our thoughts and prayers include our sister churches as well. May the Holy Spirit minister in our mission churches this day and every day: at Trinity Reformation Church, Covenant Bible Church, and Church of the King.

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Q&A SESSION

Q1

Questioner: As a fellow elder, I always—I’m always hating to reveal my ignorance, but here goes. Give me the deal on these four horns again.

Pastor Tuuri: Well, the horns are linked to the heads. So, in chapter seven, there are these heads, right? Four heads to Greece. And it seems like the first head that is pictured in Daniel 7 is probably Alexander.

Now, he’s the prominent horn in chapter 8. So, I’m not sure if we can make him one of the four horns or not. Two of the heads definitely have to be referring to what will become later, the king of the north and the king of the south. And so, that refers to the Antiochus Seleucus’s. Okay. So, in the north, Syria after Alexander dies, one of the parts of his empire is taken over by the Seleucids, also known as the Antiochuses, and they go back and forth that name, but it’s the same group up there of Greeks governing the north.

And that’s the king of the north, described in chapters 10 and 11 of Daniel. There’s a king of the south that’ll be described as warring with the king of the north. That’s a Greek family known as the Ptolemies who govern in Egypt. And so they go back and forth. So two of the horns, two of the heads seem to be referring to the king of the north and the king of the south.

The little horn, the fourth horn—let’s do this first. The fourth horn or the fourth head seems to be the beginnings or origins of the Roman Republic. And you know, we think that for a couple of reasons. One, when Rome starts off, it’s basically Hellenistic. It’s Greek Rome. Now, by the time of our Savior, it becomes a Roman Empire, but begins essentially as a Greek derivative of Greece. So the beginnings of Rome seem to be in the Greek period.

The little horn that comes up seems to be referring ultimately to Herod in the time of the Savior. Herod will be the one who exalts himself against the Prince of Princes. And the Herods, you know, will be the ones that control the high priest in an ungodly fashion and wage war against the saints and throw the saints to the earth. And the Herods are actually Edomites, but they’re converted. They’ve been circumcised. The Jews by this time—this is like 60 or 70 BC—the Jews have conquered Edom, and the Edomites have been forcibly circumcised and converted.

So, Herod is kind of part of the Jews, but in the near fulfillment, the little horn refers to Antiochus Epiphanies, because of the abomination of desolation. He then gets the power to put an end to the daily sacrifices. In a sense, they’ve already stopped because there’s no legitimate high priest anymore by the time he comes in and trashes Jerusalem and the temple.

So, it seems like the four heads, you know, in the Bible, a head is something that originates things. You know, if a man is the head of the family, doesn’t mean he makes all the decisions or rules ultimately in a dictatorial fashion. He initiates things. And it seems like it’s the initiation of the Greek Empire with Alexander, the initiation of the period after him of the king of the north and the king of the south with reference to Jerusalem and then the beginning of the Roman Republic rather than the Roman Empire.

Does that answer your question, Chris W.?

Chris W.: Okay, thanks. And you know the typical interpretation of that is the four kingdoms that came after the four Greek kingdoms that succeeded Alexander. But the problem with that is that Alexander’s kingdom actually broke up into six major parts, not four. So the and the only two of those parts that become important for Daniel or for the vision given to Daniel is the Antiochus Seleucids in the north and Ptolemy in the south and that’s what becomes that gets tremendous amount of detail given to it in chapters 10 and 11 of Daniel.

Part of the difficulty with trying to go through these chapters is there’s so much historical detail particularly when we get to chapters 10 and 11, and then the question be—it’d be really nice if we had an adult Sunday school time to go through it as a teaching exercise and then preach on the themes. I probably today should have preached how do we stand up. We stand up by not being deceitful. We stand up by not being boastful. We stand up, you know, by not engaging in compromise the way that Jason and Menaaus did with the Greek culture. So that probably would have been a better way to preach on the text instead of all this historical stuff that seems to be necessary to touch on but it does get confusing.

Q2

Questioner: I know. Any other questions? I just have a comment. I thought I always thought those horns had to do with Saddam Hussein and Yaser Arafat. No, seriously. I thought your closing scripture out of Timothy was an excellent tie-in. So I just wanted to tell you that—just kind of was a you know one of those light flashes when you read that and it’s like wow okay. Yeah, I probably should have worked that into the actual sermon because it’s the same thing, right? The corporate prayers of the church are being for nations is being discussed in the sacrifices of Daniel 8 and so of prominence in what we do is praying for those things and changing the world because of our prayers.

Pastor Tuuri: [No direct response recorded, but moves to next topic]

Q3

Questioner: Dennis, could you review again the two parties that kind of were the seeds for the Sadducees and the Pharisees?

Pastor Tuuri: Yeah. After you know Jason and then Menaaus who takes over after him. Jason is the Zadokite, but he kicks out Onias IV, who’s the rightful high priest who becomes high priest by buying it from Antiochus. And then Menaaus is his henchman to go do his deeds, his intermediary with Antiochus. And you know, intermediary says to heck with Jason—I’m doing it myself. So Menaaus gives tribute. They always plunder the temple to give this stuff to Antiochus.

And by the way, that’s the tie into chapter 8 of Daniel to the eighth commandment. It’s the plundering of the temple by the first by Jason and then by Menaaus as tribute to give to Antiochus to solidify their power. It’s that stealing from God. Eighth commandment: thou shalt not steal. It’s that stealing from God that seems to be the what causes all this devastation to happen.

Well, anyway, so you got the Greeks in control, the Jews who want to be Greeks and the culture like America goes down the toilet. And so what happens, like America, you get a moral majority as a backlash to that, and this Hasmonean guy who calls himself Maccabee leads the revolt against the Greeks. So these are cultural conservatives, and some people say that one of the big things that really got them going on their war was the forced education in Greek Hellenistic thought of their children was the final straw that broke the camel’s back.

And you know you can read it in First and Second Maccabees about this period of time. It’s written basically—First Maccabees as a tract to say how good the Maccabees are. So you can sort of read it as political propaganda but a lot of it’s true of the Maccabees. We identify with them because they were conservatives. They didn’t like you know those homosexual Greeks and all that stuff and they wanted a defensive marriage act.

So they’re the ones who you know take back the thing but their critical flaw is that once they do that, which we would applaud, they don’t bring back Onias IV, who is available. Instead, they put their own high priest in. And as a result of that, there’s no—there’s never another Zadokite priest required by Ezekiel’s texts, you know, ever. And so there’s never a legitimate high priest.

We get to the New Testament and we read that this guy was high priest for a year, this guy’s high priest for a year. What’s going on? It was a hereditary line. Well, what happened was this history we’re describing. So the Pharisees, the proto-Pharisees—the Pharisees will grow out of the Maccabeans. They’re conservative, but they’re still not really humble before God because they don’t go back to the right line of high priests. And then there’s a response against them. And you have the liberals and the conservatives kind of duking it out.

And the liberal party are kind of the followers of Menaaus and that Greek idea as it goes down the next hundred years or so. And they’re the ones who become the Sadducees. They’re proto-Sadducees. You know, they don’t really believe in the resurrection, and they’re just liberals and they’re kind of like Greeks in their thinking, but they’re sort of Jews in culture. So you have this combat going on back and forth, and it actually becomes warfare—civil war between these two parties in the last century BC.

And at the end of it all, they say, “Well, let’s ask Rome for help. We can’t work it out. You know, we’re continually fighting, and so let’s go ask Rome to intervene.” By this time, the overlord is no longer the Greeks. It’s the Roman Republic. And so they appeal to Pompey, and the Roman Senate then establishes by a little secudis method, but he essentially establishes Herod. You know, as good practical Romans, they say, “Well, we’re not going to choose either one of you two. We’re going to bring in a third party.”

And they know if they bring in a third party, that’ll be a way of, you know, stopping the civil war. And the third party will have the backing of Roman military and power. And the third party will be under its control, they think, right? So they pick Herod and Herod’s father, Antipater, first to rule and make him king, and then Herod—you know, he’s the one that decides who the high priests are. And the Herodian line are the ones who establish the high priests.

So you got the conservatives and liberals, the proto-Pharisees, proto-Sadducees, the Maccabeans, and then the followers of, were kind of like Menaaus fighting back and forth, and eventually the Roman government decides Herod’s going to be the guy, and then Herod appoints the priests from then on.

So Herod is the face of the Roman Empire in Israel, and of course from the—from the real—Ezekiel says that Zion, Jerusalem is the navel of the world. It’s the center of everything. The Greeks and Romans, they’re just having to deal with it. But what really is going on from a, you know, from a heavenly perspective is that their actions—you know, the most important thing in the world in shaping world history is Jerusalem. It’s the navel of the world. It’s the center of the world. And the Christian church is the center of the world today.

God reestablishes, you know, the tabernacle of David, Mount Zion worship, and it becomes the center of the world. And therefore, what we do here has these, you know, incredible consequences as we pray for the nations. So Herod becomes the face of the Roman Republic, and he’s the last little horn. Then, again, he’s deceitful. He’s an Edomite. And it’s interesting that in the book of Daniel, in Daniel 8, the word for God that’s used here several times is an unusual form of God. The other place that’s used predominantly is in the book of Job. And Job was an Edomite man. Job, the city he’s from, is in the land of Edom. So the implications seem to be that this is the Edomite name for God that’s being referred to.

And the fact that Greece is described as a hairy goat. You know, I made the reference to hair being glory, right? So it’s self-exaltation. But I think we could probably also see in that a reference back to Esau. Edom, of course, is Esau, another name for Esau. The Edomites are the Esau, the line of Esau. And Esau was a hairy man. And Herod’s going to come along, and it’s the Edomites—the Bible says who really know a lot of intrigues, riddles, and that kind of stuff.

And so Herod, as an Edomite, you know, meets that description of the little horn who by intrigues and deceptions gets his way, and really the Roman Empire is doing his bidding, not he their bidding anymore. So it’s the Edomites, it’s the Esau, it’s fallen Adam, you know, I mean, it’s the whole line of fallen men finds its culmination in the person of or the tribe of Herods. And so that’s the last great little horn—the last great apostasy is theirs, and then Jesus comes as the new Adam to bring new life.

So does that help?

Q4

Questioner: Okay. I understand how in the first chapter of Matthew the kingly line was cut off with Jehoiachin, and then Christ became the true king at the end. And I thought, well, maybe there’s some—now if the priestly line is cut off, how does that fit in? And I’m reading it and there is—there is a—can’t see. I got poor eyesight here. But it has a uh, Zadok is in the line. So I’m assuming that he, that if it’s the same Zadok, that it would be a priestly line possibly that’s uh comes through Mary or something.

Pastor Tuuri: Well, you know, it is—I don’t know if that’s the same Zadok or not. I should know my Bible well enough, but I don’t. But it does seem like there’s some biblical justification in this period of time to have king and high priest kind of linked together in that same way as maybe Zadok was.

I don’t know the history well enough and Bible prophecy well enough, but it does sort of seem from Zechariah, when the high priest is crowned there in the book in Zechariah’s night visions, that you have this kind of coming together of priest and king in preparation for the coming of Jesus Christ—a priest and king, you know, and then you have Christ who’s at, you know, a priest at the order of Melchizedek, who’s both a king and a priest.

And Melchizedek is a real figure, but in the Bible he’s without ancestry. So Jesus comes as the fulfillment of, you know, Melchizedek the priest and king that doesn’t come directly from either one of the hereditary lines ultimately—I mean, Jesus is of the line of David, he is of the Judah line and the kingly line, so he’s in that progression but there’s a sense in which it’s, you know, he’s different from all other priests and kings that have come before him, like Melchizedek.

But I don’t know enough about the genealogies you’re referring to to comment on that. But very interesting stuff.

Q5

Questioner: Anybody else? One last question. We’re running out of time here. What one or two things could I give out of this chapter to a child under 10 years of age? A lot of this seems a little eclectic and you know what could I take from a simple reading of Daniel 7 and 8 and say this is what the Bible is telling you here?

Pastor Tuuri: Well, you know, it’s Daniel 8 specifically, and this is on the kids handout. I tried to write it in a way that was becoming enough for them. You know, again, the major opposition here to Daniel is the little horn who is prideful, deceitful, and apostasy is what happens, which leads the world to get bad. What we can teach our children is that it’s not the Clintons of the world who are the problem today. You know, it’s not the Bushes, it’s not the Kerrys—it’s the church of Jesus Christ who needs to recover worship in which the kings of the earth are prayed for.

And then we take this mission to them throughout the world. So from Daniel 8, the simple message is that when we go to church on Sunday, those prayers are really important to God and he’s going to answer those prayers and change the world. When we get up on Sunday and we join together in the pastoral prayer and pray for the nations, the nations are changed by God.

And then, you know, the further application of that is that we’ve said that Lord’s Day worship sets up the rest of the week. We should be leading our families in prayers for the nations in our devotional time in our homes. We should be praying for the nations. I mean, the text in 1 Timothy 2 is instructions on corporate worship. And he says the most important thing is prayer for the nations so that we can live quiet and peaceful lives. And then therefore I want men everywhere to pray, right?

So it seems like it moves from the corporate to the personal dimension, and that’s what happens with worship. We have the corporate prayers of the church. Daniel 8 is mostly about the corporate prayers of the church changing the world for better or ill. And we can infer from that our prayers in the week, you know, bound to that pastoral prayer, so to speak, are the same thing. So that’s one major thing the kids can get out of it is pray for President Bush and Governor Kulingowski and Mayor Alice Norris here in Oregon City or whatever it is in Vancouver or whoever the governor eventually is up there, you know, pray for the nations.

Questioner: [Follow-up implied] Set up Daniel 9 when it’s one long prayer.

Pastor Tuuri: Yes, that’s what I’m—that’s what I was trying to say is that not only is it set up for Daniel 9, which is one long prayer, but then we find out as Daniel continues that it’s the Frank Perry kind of picture that the angels, the overlords of Persia and Greece are contending with Gabriel and Michael helps Gabriel.

Well, what we find is that the prayers of Daniel, his fasting and prayer produces changes in the angelic warfare that’s going on. So it sets us up to look at Daniel’s prayer in nine and then to be reminded again of the tremendous efficacy of our prayers and heavenly realities being determined on the basis of the prayer of Daniel.

So that’s what I say: when we go back to Hebrew in chapter 8, we go back to kind of a liturgical perspective, a temple perspective, and we really focus now on the prayers of God’s people. So prayer, but I think that you also want to bring in with little kids these moral lessons as we go through these texts.

Clearly, there’s a contrast driven between Daniel and these guys that always make themselves great. And kids have to be taught: when you make yourself great, God’s going to cut you down, just like Nebuchadnezzar made himself great, chopped off at the stump. Okay? And it’s not as—so that’s I think a really good thing to do. And then the lying and deceit.

See, I mean, what does a little horn do? He lies and deceives. Antiochus arranges things, gets his brother murdered. I mean, he’s just the wrong kind of guy to be emulating. And Daniel’s a truth-teller. He speaks the truth. So I think that contrast is real important for us. And then I think, you know, by way of—you can’t take this directly out of the text, but if you know that history underneath this—that the apostasy came from compromise, you know, from Jason/Jacob and Menaaus, from men who wanted to and literally did sew foreskins back on their genitals so that they could run the Olympics naked in Jerusalem and look like Greeks.

Now none of us are going to do that, but with our older children we should be telling them: when you listen to that rock station or this music or that country station, that’s okay, but you had better be taking every thought captive to the Lord Jesus Christ. Don’t be allured by the lifestyle of this world because that’s what happened. You know, that compromise is what that apostasy was—compromised at the world, wanting to be like the world—and that’s what led to the horrific things that Antiochus Epiphanies did in the temple.

So I think there’s lots of lessons from Daniel 8, and I’m sorry I didn’t articulate them better in the sermon, but for little kids, you know, prayer, not being prideful, being humble, and then, you know, not lying, but being truthful. Don’t be like Herod. You’re going to get cut off if you are. And don’t compromise.

And then for older people, probably the most important thing is Daniel dies. You know, he goes down. And you know, as we get older, we start to go down. Our lives don’t turn out the way we want them to. Our bodies begin to fail us. Our relationships can fail us. Our money fails us. There’s lots of ways that God has of bringing us down to death.

And the Christian answer, so often we tend to say, well, we can just avoid all that judgment. We can avoid that death if we just do the right stuff. You know, no. The whole purpose of God is to bring us through deep sleep, through death, and through those trials and tribulations to make us prophets. You get—you go from being a king in the middle age of life to being a prophet in your older age of life by dying.

And so when death comes to us, you know, we struggle, we resist. But you know, we shouldn’t do that. We should say, well, we got to trust God through the death. You know, Heidelberg Catechism: what is my only comfort in life and in death? Which will happen many times before you get to the death of your body. When we go through death of relationships, money, dreams, children turning out differently, health problems, when we go through those pictures of death to us, our comfort in death is knowing that Jesus is our faithful Savior. He’ll raise us up, and wow, there’ll be a beautiful woman there. You know, wow, there’ll be a time in my life when my words help people in a better way than they did before.

So, you know, for older people, that’s I think a big part of what’s going on here.

Questioner: Thank you. And one last point—he’s touched. And we’ll make this point in spades in a couple of weeks—but it’s not the word that raises Daniel up alone. It’s the angel touching him. And so the benevolence ministries of the church are driven by an understanding that in Daniel’s vision, the way we raise people up isn’t by telling them, but it’s by actively getting involved in their lives and touching them. And this becomes real important in the rest of the book, this touching deal. So, okay, that’s well past time. Let’s have our meal.