AI-GENERATED SUMMARY

This sermon examines the 40-day period between Christ’s resurrection and ascension, arguing that Jesus did not merely “tweak in and out” as a spirit but possessed a “cool,” super-physical body capable of eating and being touched1,2. Pastor Tuuri surveys the eight recorded post-resurrection appearances (from Mary Magdalene to the mount in Galilee) to demonstrate that this time served as an intensive “seminar” on the Kingdom of God, training the disciples for their apostolic mission3,4. He refutes the Gnostic “2001: A Space Odyssey” view of escaping the body, asserting instead that Jesus’ glorified body is the prototype for our own future physical resurrection2. Practical application encourages believers to value their present physical lives and labors as part of the Kingdom work Jesus prepared the church to accomplish4,2.

SERMON TRANSCRIPT

# Cleaned Sermon Transcript

Well, it is indeed a blessed Lord’s day again, is it not, dearly beloved? So wonderful to see children baptized, brought into the context of the church, the body of Christ. Wonderful to hear how God works over the last number of years. The people that were up here, the two families that were baptized and Pastor Shaw—what a delightful day. We just sang one song that spoke first of the resurrection and the second and concluding verse spoke of the reign of Jesus Christ.

Now, so that kind of is the bookends for what we’re doing now. We’re between resurrection Sunday and Ascension Day and then Pentecost following that. And then we recited responsively Psalm 23 and sang it. And really what I want to talk about today is the pastoral work of the Lord Jesus Christ in that period of time between his resurrection and his ascension. So we’re going to talk about post-resurrection appearances of Jesus in a very short form survey sort of way.

We’ll begin by reading a text from Mark 16:14-20. Please stand for the reading of God’s word. And I might just mention that the order of worship today has a couple of pictures, and you will hear about these accounts. The top one at the Sea of Tiberias, Sea of Galilee up in Galilee sometime after the resurrection and the bottom one is the evening appearance to Jesus or eight days actually—the second Sunday with Thomas.

So we’ll talk about those. But we’ll read first Mark 16:14-20:

“Later he appeared to the 11 as they sat at the table and he rebuked their unbelief and hardness of heart because they did not believe those who had seen him after he had risen. And he said to them, ‘Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believes and is baptized will be saved, but he who does not believe will be condemned. And these signs will follow those who believe in my name. They will cast out demons. They will speak with new tongues. They will take up serpents. And if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them. They will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.’ So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, he was received up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God. And they went out and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word through the accompanying signs.”

Amen. Let’s pray.

Lord God, we thank you for your word. We thank you for this marvelous message that we see in this text and the other post-resurrection appearances by our savior. May we today be aware that he visits us as well. And what we read in these texts certainly informs us in terms of what he does with us today and how he is the great shepherd who pastors us as he pastored these original disciples and apostles.

Bless us Lord God as we look at a survey of these appearances. In Jesus’s name we ask it. Amen.

Please be seated. On the outlines today, there’s some notes that I’ll be following. The second page, if you want to look at that for just a moment, is a chart of the post-resurrection appearances of Jesus. And I didn’t want to have you assume that I was the one who came up with it. I found this online from a fellow that I have no idea who he is.

And these appearances are what we’ll be going through today, although in a little different order than what we have here. Let me just mention that I think what we have are seven specific events and we can’t be quite sure of that as we’ll get to in a couple of minutes. But on Resurrection Sunday, he appears first, I believe, to Mary Magdalene and then secondly to a number of women and then he appears in the middle of the day on the road to Emmaus to two disciples and we don’t know if it was a husband and wife, two men, whatever it might be.

And then the fourth appearance on the Lord’s—the original day of Resurrection, the original Lord’s Day. John 20 records this in the context of meeting with the 11, but actually they can be referred to as the 12 as we’ll see in a couple of minutes. That was a kind of common designation even though Judas was not there. And actually there were 10 of them because Thomas wasn’t there as we know. If you look at the chart, so we have Mary Magdalene, the other women, Simon Peter—we know when that happened. The two on the road, that’s the same day. That’s the Lord’s Day. And then the 11 or the 10, whatever you want to call it. And I’ve got citations there for Mark, Luke, and John. I think—and I cannot be sure of this, but I think that these all record the same appearance. So what we just read in Mark, I think, is that evening appearance that’s recorded in the Gospel of John and also a version of it in Luke.

So I think we’ve got three perspectives on the same meeting. It is possible, as this chart describes, that this was a later event in Jerusalem, but I think there were four that first day. And then a week later, of course, Jesus appears to the 11, now Thomas being with them and demonstrates—as the picture in our order of worship today shows—his physicality to Thomas. And so Thomas believes.

And so that would be appearance number five that’s recorded for us. And then sometime later, you remember the message that the women give to the disciples is he’s going to meet you in Galilee. Well, he first meets them in Jerusalem the very evening of Resurrection Sunday. But then sometime fairly quickly after that, the disciples travel to Galilee. And while they’re there, I think before the account of the Great Commission in Matthew 28, Jesus appears to the seven.

This is where they’re out fishing and the 153 fish and all that stuff. That’s at the Sea of Tiberias in Galilee, the Sea of Galilee. And that’s a separate appearance. So that would be number six. And then the seventh and final appearance that’s recorded, I think, is Matthew 28 on a mountain in Galilee. And this is where the Great Commission is given. And so I think these are the seven appearances.

And then there’s an eighth on the day of Christ’s Ascension—not Pentecost, but Christ’s Ascension. Jesus talks to them then. So we can say there are eight appearances and we’re going to be going through those today.

Now, why are we going to do it? Well, I think that we can look at these as kind of—so the title of the sermon is “What Was Jesus Doing With That Glorified Body?” So he’s got this resurrection glorified body that’s the same sort of body we’re going to have. We looked over these appearances a couple of weeks ago on Resurrection Sunday, just in terms of referencing his body and what it was like and what he could do. And I think it’s important to kind of talk about, to meditate on what Jesus was doing for 40 days. The scriptures tell us that there is this 40-day period that Jesus is with the disciples and apostles.

Now, we read these accounts and we sort of get the idea that he kind of tweaked in and tweaked out, right? Boom, he’d appear and then boom, he’d be vanished and he was vanished again until the next appearance is recorded. Well, that of course doesn’t make sense if we understand that he has this body. This is his glorified body. This is his resurrected body. The body doesn’t go away. He’s not a phantom appearing out of the midst. He has a real body, more glorified. Remember Paul says in 2 Corinthians 5, we don’t seek to have less clothing. We want more glorious clothing. And Jesus had more glorious clothing in terms of humanity. And so he has this body. It’s got to be somewhere, right? And so where was he?

Well, you know, the scriptures tell us that during these 40 days, he was teaching them. And that’s what we want to kind of talk about. While Jesus here in these resurrection appearances they’re recorded for us, we shouldn’t think that these are the only times he meets with them because Paul says specifically that he appeared to Cephas. Where is it recorded? It’s not. It says that he appeared to James, his brother, Jesus’s brother. And so where is that recorded? It isn’t. So don’t think it’s just like the gospel accounts themselves. We’re given particular things, but you know, he lived 33 years and three years of ministry and we don’t have anywhere near a comprehensive recording. So in his post-resurrection appearances, we have selected events given to us through the providence of God.

And those events can inform us, I think, in terms of what he was doing generally during that same period of time. So that’s what we want to talk about today. The introduction on your outline today, I’ve got 1 Corinthians 15:3-8 as a reference. If you turn there for just a minute—and remember we kind of—so as you’re turning, I can talk and you can listen. Turn to 1 Corinthians 15. And this is where we began on Resurrection Sunday talking about the resurrection of Jesus and its implications for us, life after death, the eternal state and then what that means in terms of our world and the importance of working in the context of the world.

And so we’ve been at 1 Corinthians 15 first in a general sense on Resurrection Sunday and the next sermon was on the concluding verse. And in a way this is again a follow-up to that. In verse three, we read that Paul says he delivered to you first of all which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures and that he was buried and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.

Okay. So, and that’s 1 Corinthians 15 is an exposition of this resurrection of Jesus and its implications for us in the world. And he goes on then to cite these post-resurrection appearances. And he was seen by Cephas, that’s Peter, then by the 12. So apparently—now we don’t know, but it seems like Paul is giving us a chronological order. Seems that way. And that’s not always the case in the scriptures. When you see lists, they’re not necessarily chronological, but it seems like he’s doing that here: first by Peter and then by the 12. If that’s true and he was seen by the 12 Sunday evening and sometime before that during the Lord’s Day he appeared to Cephas—and that’s where we’ll place it—but we don’t know for sure.

After that he was seen by over 500 brethren at once, of whom the greater part remained to the present. So where was that? I think that was probably at the Sea of Galilee, the mountain in the region of Galilee. That was the first day. He appears to groups unexpectedly, but later when they go to Galilee that’s an appointed time. They go there to meet with him and so we can assume that there were more people there than just a small group. This is probably an advertised event okay. And it says actually—we’ll get to it in a few minutes—but in Matthew 28 it says that they met together and worshiped him but some doubted.

Well, you know the 12 aren’t doubting anymore. They’ve been—Jesus has demonstrated to them his physicality, his resurrection, all that stuff. So anyway, we don’t know for sure, but there’s an account here of 500 people and that’s probably in Galilee and he says that the greater part remained to the present, but some have fallen asleep. And that becomes, you know, exposed later in the text—this intermediate state is what they’re in now.

After that, he was seen by James, that’s his brother, and that’s not recorded in the scripture. Then by all the apostles. That’s kind of hard to tell what that means. I wasn’t sure and I was glad to see I saw an email yesterday. Somebody asked James B. Jordan what that means—”all the apostles”—and he didn’t know. So I don’t feel so bad not knowing myself exactly what it meant.

But you know the apostles can be seen as specific. But thank you more. Right. Sorry if it’s uncomfortable to hear me this way. It’s worse for you than it is for me. Can’t sing the high parts but other than that it’s fine.

So the apostles—apostles can be specific in terms of the 12 apostles or it can be general—sent ones. And so the last one is various people that have been sent out as apostles. And then last of all he was seen by me also. And of course that’s post-Pentecost, right? He appeared to Paul several years later as one born out of due time.

So we have these records of the appearances of Jesus Christ. And so why doesn’t Paul list, for instance, Mary Magdalene and the two and the group of women that he appeared to? And why does he make a point about the 500, some of them are alive to this day? Seems like what he’s doing is giving evidence that could be accepted in a traditional way of accepting evidence at the time and at this period of time. As lots of periods of time in history, women’s testimony was not legal evidence. So there wasn’t a reliance upon the testimony of women. It’s not that Paul didn’t believe it and not that he thought women’s testimony was less, but he’s trying to buttress the belief of those he’s writing to in the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Now they already believe it, right? They become Christians, but Paul is using evidentiary support here for the resurrection—a resurrection that’s already assumed and believed by those he’s addressing. And we could take time—we’re not going to, but in the 18 and up Sunday school class, we’re talking about presuppositionalism. And, you know, presuppositionalism says God has spoken to us in his word and in creation; everybody knows that God is. And so we don’t try to prove to people on the basis of their neutrality. We don’t put God in the dock and have them use evidences to try God. So that’s an improper use of evidences.

But here, we have a proper use of evidences. Paul’s list is a list citing people who were alive who could testify to what happened and it didn’t include the women I think for that very reason. And so it’s very proper. You know, sometimes we think that presuppositionalism or the way we proclaim the faith doesn’t have a lot to do with evidences. That’s not true. Evidences are good and proper. All evidences confirm the word of God and it’s not bad to tell one another—you know, when we start to doubt—well, look at the things around you or look at what God has done or look at this or that or the other thing and point to evidences to buttress belief.

And I think that’s what Paul’s doing here and that’s why we have the particular kind of list that we do. He is employing a proper use of evidences pastorally to the people that he’s writing to. He’s writing as a pastor to these Corinthians. He’s trying to buttress their belief. And so he does that.

And so Paul makes reference to these post-resurrection appearances and I think they’re very important. Now in the book of Acts, Luke also talks about the appearances of Jesus on the day of Pentecost. And so let me just read from—actually turn there. Turn to Acts chapter 1.

“The former account I made, talking about his gospel of Theophilus—one that’s loved by God—of all that Jesus began both to do and teach until the day in which he was taken up, after he through the Holy Spirit had given commandments to the apostles whom he had chosen, to whom he also presented himself alive after his suffering by many infallible proofs. So once more, he’s buttressing their support of their belief like he did with Thomas. He knows how to pastor people.”

And part of what he’s doing for those 40 days and the appearances that we’ll look at today is giving them proofs that he’s raised up. It was unusual, right? We talked about this before. A general resurrection was looked for, but not a twofold, two-part resurrection—first part being Messiah, Jesus, and then eventually the general resurrection.

So he does the same thing. Luke says that Jesus gave them infallible proofs being seen by them during 40 days, speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God. Now, this is, you know, you can kind of blow by these verses, but just think about this for a little bit and try to remember that this tweaking in, tweaking out thing is not what was going on. We have certain things recorded, but here we’re told very explicitly that Jesus made use of the full 40 days.

And what was he doing during those 40 days? It says that he was, through the Holy Spirit, giving commandments to the apostles. Now, maybe that specifically in terms of Pentecost. But then he gives the general thing—what Jesus was doing after he was resurrected. He’s giving them infallible proofs, being seen by them during 40 days. And what was he doing during these 40 days? Speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God.

See, we sort of—this is the beginning of the book of Acts and this book will say this is what the church did. And as the church, going about, does her work, what we have are the acts of the apostles—the acts of the church ultimately, and the acts of Jesus Christ through his church. And so we see recorded there and in the epistles this great blossoming of these wonderful guys who speak great sermons and who are doing wonderful things and they’re really together.

And sometimes we look at that and we think, what happened between you know, when Jesus is with him, they seem sort of not knowing a whole lot. And we’ll see in today’s text if we ever get to them that he was—he rebuked them at times, right? for their foolishness, that they didn’t understand anything. Well, you know, part of that of course is empowerment of the Holy Spirit. Part of that is, you know, God will prepare us when it’s necessary.

But I think we do a disservice to this period of time between Resurrection and Ascension—Resurrection and Ascension, 40 days. I think we do a disservice if we don’t think about what was happening there. And the result on the apostles—Jesus was training ministers. Jesus was preparing the church for her mission to be the work of Lord Jesus Christ’s message to the world. He was preparing them to carry out the Great Commission.

So he taught them for 40 days and by a summary fashion, it says he taught them things pertaining to the kingdom of God. And so the kingdom of God is the instruction that Jesus is giving to the apostles and the disciples and to the women and he’s preparing them for ministry. I think that’s really significant for lots of reasons. It kind of gets rid of this idea that well, they just sort of all of a sudden were smart and the Spirit empowered him.

No, you know, I was walking around outside yesterday—beautiful day—and I wanted to spend at least an hour outside as I was doing various things and I saw all these flowers, you know, these beautiful tulips, flowers everywhere in my backyard and I’m thinking, “Wow, this is great. These things just kind of come up and bloom. Beautiful. What a beautiful time of year.” And of course, they don’t just come up. My dear wife for years has been planting things and nurturing them and waiting and, you know, doing work to make sure they get water and she’s been doing all kinds of things to let them come up and make them beautiful. The beauty is the result of a lot of labor.

And I think the same thing’s true about the New Testament church. When we see all this great stuff going on in the book of Acts and the wonderful teaching and the existence of the church and the epistles, it sort of seems like oh, it just sort of happened, and we have a view of spirituality that the Spirit just moves and things grow. No, I mean that’s true at times—the Spirit’s hand is not short—but I think what’s going on is this is the result of 40 days of intensive seminar, conference—I mean it’s a little strange way to put it—but training. He had a body. What was he doing with that body? He was teaching his disciples things pertaining to the kingdom of God. And they then were to go ahead and manifest that kingdom in their kingdom work.

Now, that’s important. It means that these post-resurrection appearances, if we’re called—and we are—to be just like the book of Acts, we’re called to, you know, bear Christ’s name, to teach in his name, to do things in terms of his kingdom. We’re called to build in the sense of make manifest his kingdom. And these post-resurrection appearances should be kind of important to us. We’re given eight accounts and from them we can glean ministry training truths because that’s what I think Acts tells us Jesus was doing.

So you know, the acts of the apostles, the acts of Jesus Christ—his post-resurrection work of Jesus is summarized as he was speaking of things pertaining to the kingdom of God. And I’ve got some references there. I’m not going to go over them, but this kingdom of God—the references I give you are a number of gospel citations where this is what the gospel was. For instance, in Matthew 24, Jesus told the disciples, “This gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations and then the end will come.”

So after what Christ began with his resurrection and ascension until the end of time—the second coming, rather—what’s to happen is the gospel of the kingdom is to be preached. And the other references I’ve given you here are repeated references to the gospel being the gospel of the kingdom. So when we read in 1 Corinthians 15 that the gospel is this death and resurrection of Jesus and deliverance from our sins, you know that’s what he’s stressing for his particular purposes. But understand that what we have is that which fits in the context of the gospel of the kingdom.

So that’s the basic message. That’s our call—is to preach, to enact kingdom work here by the proclamation of the work of the Lord Jesus Christ. He was preparing a people for conquest, right? And so you know, Moses—we’ll talk about this on as we move into Pentecost season—but clearly there’s a relationship between Pentecost and the giving of the law at Sinai. When Moses comes down from the mountain, 3,000 people are killed because they’ve been sinning. On the day of Pentecost, 3,000 people are saved through the proclamation of the word.

So we’re in really much better times now. And they’re connected up for us. And so Pentecost is related back to the giving of the law. And you’ll remember that Moses was up there 40 days on the mountain. God was instructing him. Now, we have these Ten Commandments, but that’s not all that was going on up there. Moses was being instructed. He was being, you know, trained for 40 days to accomplish conquest.

Now, it took 38 years for the conquest to happen, but Moses had the training, you see. And in the same way, Moses is like these disciples in these 40 days of the post-resurrection appearances. They’re being trained by God in his word, ten commandments, application—what is the kingdom about, how is it organized, how should we build, what does it all mean? How does the new creation play into this stuff? How does the Jew-Gentile thing going to work? You see, there’s lots of instruction going on here relative to the kingdom, and that’s preparing them for conquest.

Okay. Now, let’s just talk about a couple of these original appearances. Then from that perspective, how do you prepare the ministers of the gospel to conquer the world? How do we prepare ourselves? How would Jesus prepare us to do the world-changing work that the apostles were called to do and be in great measure accomplished in the book of Acts and in the next 40 years?

Well it’s interesting. He began with, first of all—so this is Roman numeral 4—and it’s the first appearance. It’s to Mary Magdalene in Mark 16:9. And we read this: “Now when he rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene out of whom he had cast seven demons.”

So that gives us the chronology. First appearance: Mary Magdalene. And very interestingly—I mean, he’s given us the name Mary Magdalene. He doesn’t need to tell us that seven demons were cast out of her. We know who she is already, right? But he tells us that. The same appearance is recorded in the Gospel of John’s. In this gospel, you remember the story—it’s quite well remembered. She’s weeping. She’s looking for Jesus. He appears to her. She thinks he’s the gardener. He speaks her name. She comes to an awareness of who he is. And so that’s the account in John’s gospel, the same thing. Mary is now approached and it’s interesting that they—the angels, that is—say to her, “Why are you weeping?” In John 20 she says, “Because they have taken away my lord and I do not know where they have laid him.”

“Now, when she had said this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there and did not know that it was Jesus. Now, this doesn’t mean he had a weird form. It’s early in the morning. It’s kind of probably a little darkish. She doesn’t see well. Well, she’s been crying. We have no reason. It may be that he had a different form and was unrecognized. Well, we have no reason to believe that here. There’s no evidence.

But anyway, so he appears. She doesn’t know who he is. Jesus said to her, ‘Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you seeking?’ And so, the very first appearance, it’s interesting to me, begins with questions. He’s trying to bring Mary to a sense of what’s going on in her heart.

And pastoral ministry—whether it’s pastoring a church, whether it’s you pastoring in the context of your business that you run, whether it’s mom and dad pastoring kids, mom and dad pastoring each other—you know, pastoral ministry, working people in terms of the kingdom of Christ involves getting them to think through where they’re at. And that’s what Jesus does. The first technique recorded for us, if you want to look at it that way, in the pastoral training—40 days of which will happen and then result in overturning the world for Jesus Christ, putting it to rights, as is recorded in the book of Acts—begins with questions. That’s interesting to me.

She, supposing to be the gardener, said to him, “Sir, if you have carried him away, tell me where you have laid him, and I will take him away.” And Jesus says to her, “Mary.”

He speaks her name. He addresses her individually. Jesus’s first appearance is to a particular individual person. It’s not corporate. Now, most of the appearances will be corporate. We’ll see that. But, you know, unity and diversity in training ministries are personal. And they’re personal that drive people to kind of recognize what’s going on. Why are they despairing? What do they really want? And for the Christian, what we want is Christ and more of him.

And what he then responds to her. He speaks her name. He cares for her individually. He addresses her by name. You see, that’s important for the training, for kingdom work. He speaks her name, “Mary.” But of course, he doesn’t just leave it at that. He goes on to talk to her about what he wants her to do.

And for some reason, my notes aren’t here. Why? Oh, okay, here it is. So she turns and said to him, “Raboni,” which is to say, “Teacher.” The proper response of the disciple to the master is to acknowledge his master over her. Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to my Father, but go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.”

Jesus drives home her reason for her problems. He addresses her personally and reveals himself in that way. He then gives her a mission to accomplish. Okay. Now, this is the woman out of whom had been cast seven demons. So, what does he do in the very first appearance? He teaches us that preparation for kingdom work involves forgiveness—forgiveness, mercy, the extension of mercy.

Now, we know that if he would have appeared to the best of the disciples first—John would have been okay—but here, remember these are eight specific incidences out of a whole bunch of things that happened and God thought it important for us to recognize the beginning of the training for Mary is a recognition of his love for her in spite of her sin. The one who’s been forgiven much loves much and then is used much by the savior. He sends her on mission.

The purpose of pastoring people is to move them toward mission, right? To work specific work in ministry. If all we do is sort of pastor them generally, that’s not good enough. Jesus has specific tasks that are going to be accomplished. And he begins that accomplishing of the evangelization of the whole world by telling a woman, a harlot, a woman, to go and do this thing—go on mission.

Now, who does she go to see? She goes to see the disciples, the big guys, the board of elders, pastor guys, ones who are really important. And what does she tell them? The message she has to tell them is that he is going to my God and your God, my Father and your Father. She passes on a message of connection, community, and embracing from Jesus.

So, you know, maybe you’ve thought about all this stuff before. I haven’t. And the connection then to the preparation for ministry has to do with Mary and how we’re prepared. Jesus, you come together as the church today. And the church is, you know, a harlot group that have been rescued from their harlotries in and of ourselves. In Adam’s fall we sinned all. We engaged in idolatry, harlotry. Seven demons had to be cast out of us to bring us here through the work of the Lord Jesus Christ.

And so Jesus prepares you for ministry today. But can I ask you why are you here? Are you here just to, you know, put in your time? Are you here to impress somebody else? Are you here out of duty? Or are you here because you want to see Jesus Christ and hear from him and get prepared from him and hear good news? And then he tells you—he calls each of you by name. He calls the church here together, but he tells you Mary, he tells you Matt, Karen, Don, Bonnie.

His attention is focused on you individually as well. We can see Mary as a representation of the church, but she’s surely also a representation of the saved sinner. And Jesus says that he prepares you for ministry this week by getting you to think through why you’re here and then addressing your felt need—the greatest need you have, which is to know that Jesus loves you, cares for you individually and personally. And then Jesus goes on to tell you that he’s got something he wants you to do.

Now, in Mary’s case, it’s different. There’s missions throughout these post-resurrection appearances. Mission is all over the place. Practically every—I think every appearance ends with basically a mission, something you’re supposed to do. And it’s interesting to me that with the women, it’s to speak to the disciples and then most of the appearances are to the disciples and their job is to go into all the world as we read in Mark, to be conquering and to know that Jesus Christ is going up to the right hand of the Father, that he has all authority and we’re supposed to conquer the world.

So Jesus gives mission and Jesus sends away from church with a sense of mission. But there’s something specific for Mary and maybe the Lord Jesus Christ is speaking something specific in terms of what you know you’re called to do this week. He sends her on mission.

Now, that’s Mary, but the other people referenced in this—I think it’s significant as well. Another preparation for ministry: He is not only working with Mary, he’s working with the disciples. Did you ever think of that? Their first training for ministry is not the direct appearance of Jesus Christ. It’s somebody else coming to them. And it’s not just somebody else. Well, gee, we’re the 12. We’re the big guys here, you know. It’s not just somebody else. It’s a woman. And it’s not just a woman. It’s a woman that they knew had been a horrible sinner, needed to have demons cast out of her.

And I guess I’m suggesting that this is significant. We will see later in later sermons on these post-resurrection appearances when he appears on the road to Emmaus and talks to those two disciples. He says, “You guys are stupid. Oh, foolish ones, slow of hearing.” When he appears in Mark’s gospel to the 12 this evening of this day we’re looking at, with beginning with Mary, he rebukes them. So, you know, Jesus—part of his—and he doesn’t do this with Mary really—part of his way of training men specifically, I think we can infer, is he first knocks you down. He first brings a little humility to you. He tells you that, you know, I appeared to Mary first.

And so the beginning of the process for kingdom work for men, I think, is a humility. And so this incident with Mary shows us individually with her, but it also shows us the beginning of the work with the disciples as well. I think it’s significant for us because you know, as squared away as we try to be and as biblical as we try to be, some of this same stuff applies to us.

God will use women in the life of this church. Jesus will use women in your lives, men, and he will use women in significant ways to accomplish his work. And here he starts with it. The preeminence is given to Mary, a woman. So I think that’s very significant for the development of kingdom work—that Jesus Christ comes in that first appearance and he brings her to a realization of what she’s doing. He assures her of his love for her by speaking her name and of her forgiveness. He prepares her for ministry and that ministry has as its end result also the preparation of the men, the disciples, through first of all beginning to humble them and bring them to a sense of their proper relationship in the kingdom.

So Jesus Christ begins to prepare his people in that way.

The second appearance is also to women. So we’ll look at that briefly. Matthew 28:9:

“As they went to tell his disciples, well, who are these they? Well, it’s—we read in other gospel accounts that this is a group of women who had also come to the tomb in the morning. And so again, a second appearance: the first appearance and then the second appearance are women, individually and collectively. And when they went to tell the disciples, behold, Jesus met them.”

Now, why were they going to tell the disciples? Well, they were going there because the angel at the tomb told them that they were supposed to go and tell the disciples. So they were already running off on mission. They were obeying without seeing, right? They hadn’t seen the resurrected Christ, but they were obeying the message from heaven anyway. And Jesus will make that point in the second appearance to the 12 a week after the first appearance when he’ll tell Thomas the same thing: “Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe.”

So these women—there’s a movement of these women to personal sight first and then mission. And now they’re accomplishing mission and then he does personal appearance.

“And as they went then to tell the disciples, behold Jesus met them, saying, ‘Rejoice!’ So they came and held him by the feet and worshiped him. And then Jesus said to them, ‘Do not be afraid. Go and tell my brethren to go to Galilee and there they will see me.’”

So, you know, here it’s a two-fold message. And this is the message of every Lord’s Day. Rejoice. He is risen. He is risen indeed. Great joy. The world has changed. Your salvation has been definitively accomplished. The world has been made new and right. Jesus has been raised up from the dead. And in that glorified body of his, he’s telling people, “Rejoice! Rejoice!”

That is the central message and the secondary message is don’t be afraid. Don’t be afraid because our tendency is to fear. Now they were fearing the physical appearance of him perhaps. We don’t know what. But the great shepherd comes to us today, assures us of our forgiveness of sins, tells us to rejoice in the great world that he’s created and tells us not to be fearful but to accomplish the mission and task that he’s called us on today.

And then he tells us—in the context of men specifically, he tells us not once but twice—that he starts with women. He starts with women. Well, we’ll look at more post-resurrection appearances in the weeks to come, but I think I’ll stop there and just let you think about that.

Look at this chart in the next couple of weeks during this season as you’re preparing for Ascension. Think of the appearances of Christ to the various disciples that he had, how they did so much great work for him. And then look at it in terms of your training, how you’re being trained by Jesus, and how you train those under your direct discipleship for greater effectiveness in kingdom work.

And I think there’s a lot to glean in these eight appearances that Jesus does.

One last thing: the last appearance, he gives them a command. The last command—the first command, you know, is mission, but the last command the day of his Ascension, rather, is he tells them to wait. He tells them to wait and his last act is to bless them as we say in King’s Academy. He blesses them as he goes up, as he ascends to the Father.

So the Lord Jesus Christ trains us and one of the most important commands he gives us in that training is to wait for his timing, the empowerment of the Holy Spirit. And then he blesses us as we go about doing that work for him.

Let’s pray.

Lord God, we thank you for this day. We thank you for the message of the resurrection. We thank you for renewed understanding of 40 days of ministry by our savior encapsulated in these eight appearances. Bless us, Lord God, as we think through them and as we think about how to train each other in the context of the church, the family, the workplace, and how we are trained as well by Jesus Christ. Make us effective. We want to do mission for you, Lord God, in our homes, in our businesses, in this church. And very importantly in this community. Geography was central to the missions that the Lord Jesus Christ sent these people on—to be his disciples to proclaim the gospel of the kingdom as they went.

Help us, Lord God, to learn how to better proclaim that gospel and make it manifest here in Oregon City and in the places we live as well. Prepare us, Lord God, for mission. Thank you for reminding us today to be humble before you, to not get upset when you use other people in our lives to instruct us—people that we don’t think are the proper ones to instruct us. Help us, Lord God, to be open to each other, to receive the instruction, the commissioning from others that you send through them. Help us, Lord God, not to be prideful. Help us to be joyful. Help us not to be fearful. And help us to be obedient.

In Jesus’s name we ask it. Amen. Amen.

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COMMUNION HOMILY

Food is an important part of the post-resurrection appearances. We know commonly, of course, the story of the two disciples on the road to Emmaus—perhaps a husband and wife, maybe not. Jesus does two things on that road to Emmaus and they’re very significant to the training of the church for the next 40 days.

The first was he explained to them how the Old Testament spoke of him and he opened the scriptures up. So he began to teach them how to read their Bibles now that they knew, as Paul Harvey would say, the rest of the story. And so he begins to teach them and then instruction as Acts says goes on for 40 days in the word.

But the second thing he does with them is he has a meal with them, right? They get to the place they’re going and this is when Jesus is manifested to them. Now again, the text doesn’t say that Jesus has an odd shape. It says that their eyes were opened and prior to that they were not allowed to recognize him. So the perception difficulty is on the part of the two disciples—not knowing this is Jesus. But in any event the eyes are opened as they sit at supper with him, at a meal.

So that third appearance on resurrection Sunday—two Marys and now the third on the road to Emmaus—meal and it’s very central to the text. He prepares ministers by preparing them in word and sacrament.

Now when he meets with the 12, 11 or 10—whichever number you want to use, different numbers are used at different places—on the evening of resurrection Sunday, while it doesn’t say it in John’s gospel, in Mark’s gospel, if it’s the same account and I think it is, it says explicitly that they were at table when he came to them.

And then in Luke’s gospel the two from Emmaus come back and say we’ve seen the Lord. He’s appeared to Cephas, or Peter. And while they’re talking to him, Jesus appears. And so if it’s the same account, that means it’s a meal. But even if it isn’t the same account, we know it’s a meal because he goes on to convince them that he’s real, that he has physicality by saying, “Do you have anything to eat?” And this is the account in which he eats fish there with them. I think it’s a fish.

So he eats with them explicitly in Luke’s gospel account. In Mark’s they’re at table. In John’s it doesn’t say, but if it’s the same event, that means that fourth event is also one that happens in the context of a meal at table. It also tells us that they were meeting explicitly in the context of a meal. So a week later when Thomas is with them, it’s the same basic meeting. And so if that meeting was a meal, this is a meal too, even though it doesn’t say explicitly in John’s gospel.

One of the reasons, by the way, that it seems evident that these Matthew, Luke, and John accounts are one account is that in John’s gospel he then records the appearance of Jesus at the Sea of Tiberias up in the north in Galilee. And John explicitly says this is the third time he appeared to the 12. So the first time are those three accounts in Jerusalem. The second time is at the Sea of Tiberias. And then, I’m sorry, the third time is on the mount in Galilee.

So at the Sea of Tiberias, what happens? They’re fishing. He comes to them or he stands on the shore and they come in and what has he done? He’s made them a meal. He made them breakfast. “Do you want to eat some breakfast?” He says he’s cooked some fish for them. A meal.

So over and over again, the Bible has gone out of its way in the training manual for ministry preparation. These post-resurrection appearances are such that an essential part of that training is in the words of Psalm 23, the Savior preparing a table before us in the midst of enemies. They were in that locked room and Jesus appeared to them at the end of the resurrection day for fear of the Jews. They’re fearful. Jesus says that a meal is a significant part of what we’re trained in.

We’re trained in word to understand the scriptures and we’re trained to commune together at the table of our Lord. This meal is not of secondary importance. This has great significance in the training of God’s people, and we see that in the accounts of these post-resurrection appearances.

Road to Emmaus—they have a meal. In Mark’s account they’re at table when he comes. In Luke’s account he comes and says let’s eat some fish and he eats fish with them. In John’s account at the Sea of Tiberias he makes breakfast for them. Meal, meal, meal. And as we come to this meal, then we see it as the preparation of us for mission as we’ll see in future weeks. Every one of those accounts tells him to go on a mission, and he prepares them by whatever mission it is. You have this week. He prepares them through entering into a meal with them.

The gospels tell us that Jesus Christ took bread and gave thanks. Let’s pray.

Lord God, we do thank you for this bread. We thank you for Jesus coming to be with us as he promises in Revelation to eat with us and to have dinner with us. We thank you for this meal, Lord God, and this bread. Bless it to our bodies, Father. In Jesus’ name we ask it. Amen.

Then it says he broke it and distributed it to them. I’m breaking it. This voice is allergies. Don’t worry. Please come forward and receive both elements of the supper from the hands of the officers of the church.

Q&A SESSION

Q1:

Questioner: I didn’t think I’d get any [comments]. The relationship of women and men in the eternal state would be an interesting thing to discuss. We’ll talk about it in the future when Jesus talks to Thomas about those who believe and their reign. You know, maybe think through more implications of women going to the men first and some of that sort of stuff. John pointed out that, and Jesus eats with them in the account from Luke, I think it is.

Pastor Tuuri: It’s bread and fish that he’s eating. And so why bread and fish, not bread and wine? Well, bread and fish are—I hadn’t thought about it—but he said that they’re representations of bread and land crop, and fish food crop. And how in the Old Testament, you know, you got land, I mean food crop sea. So you got land and sea, and in the Old Testament there’s a bipolarity of land and sea, Jew and Gentile. And now in Christ they’re brought together. So it’s kind of a picture at that meal of the universal reign or dominion of Christ in land and sea, maybe that kind of thing.

Q2:

Questioner: Fantastic message. God bless you for bringing that to us. But just a thought on what you’re talking about is the fact that there are aspects of fish streaming to the kingdom of God or aspect of streams. And of course, we got the streams with the river, or the flowing of wine, water, wine to water, or that the okay the pure sight of Christ. So you got the river—that whole concept—that going on. Just thought—well, and the fish representing the Gentiles in conversion is really plainly set forth in the account of when he meets them as they’re fishing prior to the meeting on the mountain at Mount Galilee. So all that stuff’s there too. I think it’s kind of interesting. Didn’t know if I should say this or not, people. But you know, if you think about it, the appearances—he appears to—well, I won’t say it.

Q3:

Esther: Pastor Tuuri, this is Esther. I just had a comment that I was hoping you could answer. And I wrote it down. So I’m just going to read it. I don’t think that Mary Magdalene, you referred to her as a horrible sinner. I don’t think she was a horrible sinner. I think prostitutes are culturally victimized and violated. So it’s unfair to call them sinners.

Pastor Tuuri: Okay, let me just pause right there. Hang on. I think that there’s a lot of truth to what you say, of course, and particularly in cultures where women are forced into prostitution at a young age. But this text makes it quite clear, you know, that as an adult she was a prostitute. And I don’t think that any adult making those decisions to violate God’s word should be excused for that sin. It is sin. You know, whatever conditions happen to bring it to pass—once you get down the road of what conditions happen to make you do it, you know, the homicidal maniac who was abused isn’t really a sinner either.

So she did engage in sexual sin. That’s quite clear. She did have to have demons cast out of her. I think in the scriptures, you know, she’s a representation of the church. But she’s certainly a representation of all of us who are cleansed from sin. I mean, what does he say? “She who was forgiven has been forgiven much, loves much.” So our Savior himself, I think, is telling us that she had to be forgiven for a whole lot of sin. Now, that’s true of all of us, but I don’t think we want to minimize her sin. Does that make sense?

Esther: No, I know. I’m just saying that from what I know of women and prostitutes, they’re generally very—they’re ashamed and they’re broken. And so they know better than anyone else could tell them that what’s happening to them and what they’re doing is wrong. So I think there’s a lot of truth to that.

Pastor Tuuri: Absolutely. Okay.

Esther: The other thing I was thinking is that I don’t think Jesus uses Mary because she’s a horrible sinner, or that a woman bringing this news is a humbling experience. I don’t know if that was the point he was trying to make. Even though culturally it would be humbling to have a woman be addressed by Jesus first, I think Jesus appeared to women first because they seem to understand him in a more profound way than the disciples do.

Pastor Tuuri: Well, wait. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. So now you’re making Jesus’s appearance to Mary dependent upon her ability to respond to him. And I think that’s backwards.

Esther: No, no, no. I’m trying to say that he appeared to her and other women first because they seem—because they seem to have this understanding that the disciples don’t have. Well, you don’t mean to make that as a generalized statement about women and men, or you do?

In the Gospels, I think that there are like several instances. One of them when the woman pours the oil on Jesus’ head and she’s rebuked by the disciples for doing that. And it’s such a beautiful act of worship, and yet they don’t understand that.

Pastor Tuuri: Yeah, I think that in the specific cultural setting in which we find the Gospels, you know, women—like I said—they weren’t allowed as legal testimony. So we could talk about a lot of things like that. So in that particular context, I think there’s no doubt you’re right that, you know—because—and I don’t know if it’s because they’re women or if it’s because of the setting they went through. It’s the same. You look at the same experience in terms of, for instance, the Black slaves and their evangelization and tendency to relate to Jesus as oppressed people in a way that, you know, a lot of the masters didn’t. It’s the same thing.

I think that trials and tribulations are used by God to humble us, and as a result of that humility we do become more open to Jesus. So I think that—I think it’d be fair to say at least culturally at the time of the Gospels that women as a group were more sensitive to that stuff because of their oppression, whether I want to ultimatize that or not.

Esther: Oh yeah, I know. You know, I don’t know. I’m not saying you can’t. I’m just saying that you always have to sort of look at that way. Anyway, does that—are we on—are we sympatico here?

Pastor Tuuri: I think on some things we are.

Esther: Yeah. Okay. I always love that kind of—no, we’re really not.

Pastor Tuuri: Do you want to make any other comments or questions?

Esther: No.

Q4:

Pastor Tuuri: I was going to mention that, you know, at the Sea of Tiberias, Jesus deals with Peter in a very interesting way. And one of the ways he deals with Peter is in relationship to John, the one that was loved by Jesus. And I think that one of the preparations for leadership is attacking egalitarianism and envy that results from it. And so I think that Jesus tells Peter, “Look, I’m working with him. I’m working with you. And you know, if he’s the one I love in some special way, don’t worry about it. Whatever he’s going to do, don’t worry about it.”

And I think that means in our fallen state we tend to be envious, prideful, you know, and Jesus uses various tools—even to these disciples who had already seen his resurrection by this time in Galilee—to humble them. So I’m sure there’s a lot more to it than that, but I’m sure given the cultural context in which they found themselves that at least was cause for a reiteration of a lesson that Jesus had taught them about the relationship of authority structures, male-female relationships.

I think my basic point is still sound, that this would be a difficult thing. Maybe not, you know, admittedly so. But what do we see? We see that they don’t believe the report of the women, right? And then Jesus rebukes them for not believing the reports. Now, some of the women—as I mentioned—Mary sees him first, then it’s commissioned. The other women are already responding in obedience to a commission to go tell the disciples. They’re willing to hear the word of the angel, right, act on it, and do it. And the disciples are not willing to hear the words of these women.

Now, are they different if they were men? I don’t know. But I think we can draw an inference from the cultural context that it was difficult for him. And so Jesus, you know, I think—leave aside men relationships. In all human relationships there are dynamics involved in terms of who’s superior and who’s inferior supposedly—intelligence, strength, prestige, honor, all that stuff. And you know, there’s experiences of envy that kind of result from that and supposed desire for egalitarianism. And Jesus cuts right through that stuff, I think, in these post-resurrection appearances.

And because of that—the only reason I’m dwelling on it is I think it’s important for us to recognize that’s a real problem in cultures. And if Jesus saw it as part of how he trained his disciples, we should too. And we should expect it. It shouldn’t catch us unawares. We shouldn’t think it’s odd when we see envy, you know, comparisons—comparisons based on, you know, maybe even giftings that God has given particular people, etc.

So anyway, that’s—I probably rambled on enough. But have you anything else, Esther?

Esther: No, thank you for those questions and comments.

Q5:

John S.: Okay, your insist that it’s all about food brought a really interesting connection I’ve never seen before with Genesis 3, you know. We have three women at the foot of the tree—let’s say—all named Mary, “Bitter.” You know, his mother was hoping that her son was going to take care of, you know, they have no more wine. You know, can you help him with the wine? Okay, so think up in this tree. You’ve got food in the tree. You got one speaking from the tree. Okay, post-resurrection perspective. Listen to this.

And the one up in the tree said to the woman, “Ye shall not surely die. For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof of this food in the tree, then your eyes will be open, and ye shall be as God’s, understanding good and evil.” And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto the man with her and he did eat, and the eyes of them both were opened.

I don’t know if we don’t need more comment than that. It’s just amazing to me to see the juxtaposition, you know, if you doubted that this was the word of God here.

Pastor Tuuri: Yes. Yeah. The relationship between the tree first, the food of that tree bringing us death, and the food of this tree bringing us life. We’re represented as Mary. John mentioned that they were all bitter. Mary comes from Mara, which means “Bitter One.” So that’s another great image going on in all these things is that the bitterness of the woman has become relieved, and she’s now a picture of rejoicing salvation. Thank you. Appreciate that.

Q6:

Tim Roach: Just as a follow up on Esther’s questions, it seems like a good study on that would be if there was that type of things going on then we’d see those threads throughout not only the Gospels but Paul’s writings as well. Other words—we’d be with that thinking in mind—we’d want to go through and study and see if that subject does pop up or it could be tied in to see if that, you know, that’s pretty much all I wanted to say.

Pastor Tuuri: Well, yeah. And I think that, for—I don’t know which particular part of [the Gospel] was coming you’re referring to. But the prostitute side of it, that does have some pretty strong biblical thread, you know, from Tamar on. There’s a—I don’t remember the man’s name now, can’t remember, skip my slip, my memory—but Warren Gage has written some interesting stuff on John’s Gospel, Book of Revelation, etc. And you know, one of the way he puts it is Jesus—sounds somewhat blasphemous, but to get attention, you know—Jesus seems to have a thing for prostitutes. And what that means is that Jesus is drawn to those women to bring them out of that bondage, to redeem them.

And I do think the big picture is that the woman represents all of humanity in idolatry. You know, it’s a big picture item. But in terms of specific—I think I mentioned this before—but when we were going through the case laws in Deuteronomy and there’s a case law that says if you’ve got an escaped slave, don’t send it back to his master. And on the basis of that law, Christian missions have gone into several countries—I’m not sure where—and established ministries to give sanctuary to women who have been sold into prostitution from their youth. It’s a horrific fact that this is going on in our world, and Christian mission organizations have seen that is a specific ministry to help women get out of that. And that’s carrying out the work of Christ.

So yeah, it’s a whole—but yeah, I think you’re right. In terms of what I meant was, in terms of—you have to be careful. We’re seeing a cultural slice of time here, and we can’t ultimatize that to all men and women. I remember hearing Jay Adams years ago, and some guy was asking him a question here in Portland, and saying, “Well, we know women are emotional and men are logical.” And Adams says, “Well, how do we know that?” “Well, it’s my experience.” “Well, even if your experience is true today, how do you know that’s true of women generally? If you don’t find it in the scriptures making a distinction between men and women, and if you can’t deduce it from what the scriptures teach legitimately, then what you’re saying may be true, but it may just be culturally true because of what we’ve set up in the context of how we see these relationships.”

Q7:

Questioner: Just to follow up on that, if if Christ was going to marry—for specific reasons because of her ability to listen or be more sensitive or whatever the case may be. I think that—and that may be. But I think we’ll see threads of that teaching that Christ was teaching by going to Mary. I think we see threads of that teaching in the apostles’ writings, later on, as well as Paul. So in the way he relates to the church and the way he relates to women, the way he relates to the positions of the men and women in the church.

Pastor Tuuri: Yeah, there would have to be some threads there because they would have—they would have seen that. They’re not stupid people. They would have—the apostles were smart, and eventually they would have thought this through. Why did Christ go to Mary first? Is there relevance in that? And if there is, what is he going to teach me through that? And how am I going to express that to the people that are under me? And I think we would see that somewhere in the scriptures, and we very well may.

Questioner: Yeah, that’s good.

Pastor Tuuri: Yeah. All I was trying to say is I don’t think we want to turn it into, you know, he’s kind of somewhat helpless and he appears to those that best receive him. Whoever he appears to, he’s going to convince him it’s him. His arm is not shortened. So yeah, it is interesting. And what we have to do is sort of speculate on the reasons why he goes to women first—first an individual and then to two who had seen him but did not believe.

When we get to the Thomas narrative, Jesus tells Thomas, you know, “You’ve believed because you’ve seen. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believed.” And that’s a description of that first group of women. And he goes on to say that those people will reign in heaven. So that’s why I said earlier—when we get to that text, this relationship—back to—we’ve already seen a group of disciples who believed and didn’t see. They were women. And then the relationship, what does that mean in terms of reign and the eternal state?

Q8:

Monty: Is there possibly a connection between Christ showing himself first to the women and the fact that he chose the men he chose to be his apostles, given that the thinking of man usually is somewhat gnostic and focused on the idea of superior knowledge and ability, and Christ doesn’t come and pick a bunch of the priests, or you know, students of Gamaliel or something, and tell Paul—none of them have any real significance in terms of their understanding or mental capabilities. Is there possibly a connection here where he’s doing these things to emphasize to us that this isn’t about superior knowledge—that it’s about him and it’s about us knowing him as a person, but knowledge in the sense of mental capability or something is not the factor here?

Pastor Tuuri: Yeah, you know, we have, you know, verses about, you know, where he chose the weak things of the world rather than the strong. So maybe like the stumbling block concept—that the word’s coming through a fisherman instead of through a priest.

Monty: Yeah, we see that clearly in Acts, right? They see that it just—some people have talked about it as credentialism. That these disciples were uncredentialed, and so they don’t have credentials to discuss things here. Many Reformed denominations require seminary education. You have to be credentialed in order to pastor. And it’s that same thing. Whereas in the scriptures, it seems like God chooses the weak to confound the strong. “Where’s the wisdom of this age?” You know, the simplicity of the gospel and the people that he chooses is a demonstration of grace, among other things. So yeah, I think that’s all wrapped up in the two.

Pastor Tuuri: And do you think that would parallel then him choosing to reveal himself first to the women?

Monty: Yeah. Right. Thank you.

Q9:

Monty’s Mother: And this is Monty’s mother right next door. And I just—are you a woman, by the way? I just want to add my two bits about the subject you brought up. I think if the men had to clean house, there would be no prostitutes. If the men were held responsible for their actions—well, that’s because you think better of us than you ought to. The men’s problems are deep-rooted. Anyway, yeah, I think you’re right, though.

Pastor Tuuri: And that’s what Jesus does. He kind of breaks them down, right? You know, I guess I didn’t go to boot camp, but I think the idea—you take men and break them down and then you remake them. And so I think in some of these things we’re seeing in the Gospel accounts, he’s doing that. He rebukes them. He calls them idiots. He breaks them down. He sends them messengers they don’t want to hear it from, and he’s breaking them down so that he can then build them back up to be a powerful force.

Now, that’s significant in terms of ministry training, because we do just a reverse. I mean, there’s a sense in which we send guys off to seminary, make them work hard, but you know, usually people come out of seminary or Bible college not humbled and ready to serve. They come out prideful of their knowledge and their credentials. So yeah, good comments. Thank you.

Q10:

Questioner: I just wanted to make the comment about, you know, calling anybody a sinner. We all are. And so, even if that prostitute was put into that position, you know, because of societal divorces—and maybe she wouldn’t have if she was born someplace else or something. We’re all sinners, and so it’s not something to be all, you know, to get too alarmed over, I don’t think, to be called a sinner. We are sinners. If we diminish what that—we diminish what Christ did, and that’s—it’s imperative not to do that, right?

Pastor Tuuri: Well said. Good. And you know, it’s a funny thing. I remember going to Malheur County Fair years ago. We had a booth on Christian Reconstruction. I remember watching these people go by the booth, you know, at a county fair. And you know, I was filled with a real anger at them because of their rebellion against God and their hard-heartedness to him, and they don’t care about him. And on the other hand, they would—I would, you know, the other emotion I’d feel is great pity and compassion for them. And you know, I think that’s the two sides of it. We’re all sinners. At the same time, that sin does exercise a bondage over us. That’s really quite, you know, quite sad.

Q11:

Nick: I’m not sure if you made this comparison, and I was just wondering if it might be a good one to make, and it is a comparison between Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Jesus in terms of the coming to the world. Even with Mary the mother of Jesus, it was an act of grace, but in terms of the resurrection and Christ speaking to Mary Magdalene, there is definitely that aspect of grace. And both have, in essence, a birthing aspect. And you brought this up in previous Easter sermons as well—the tomb and all this type of thing. So there is this—there’s this aspect of the birthing of the church.

Pastor Tuuri: Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, these themes are so deep and pervasive in the scriptures, it’s impossible to exhaust, you know, what these things represent to us. So yeah, I think that—you always are led to think comparison and contrast, for instance, between the two Marys—birthing of the church, physical birth of the Savior. Mary, mother of Christ, you know, not portrayed as one who has fallen into temptations or difficulties. Mary Magdalene, yes. And so all these things are giving us, you know, perspectives on who we are, who all of us are in relationship to the Lord Jesus Christ. So all right, let’s go have our meal. Thank you.